506:, nothing to merge here, article had virtually no meaningful sourced content anyway. Obviously non-notable (the only thing that's sourced about her is that "Order" she got recently, which isn't a "national honour" as the article presented it, but a private family-internal matter. Article says nothing about her having ever done anything in particular, let alone anything that would make her notable. Biographic trivia content was entirely unsourced.
285:). As HRH Jimbo, Prince of Wales, has stated, "There is usefulness in having a compete set of entries on hereditary peers, even if some peers are less prominent or noteworthy than others, even when the article must of necessity remain something of a stub. Considering these articles in isolation, i.e. not noting that they are part of a wider series, is mistaken...." (see
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American newspaper and nothing else recognizable as a reliable source. Inherent notability as an office-holder is out of the question, because the office attributed to her does not exist, given that Romania is no
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Marriages and Children section which is used to comprehensively list the children of the noble or royal individual. Those who are notable in their own right get their pages linked there, others are just a name in a list.
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Michael of Romania. However in the previous cases listed by Bearia I think there was a fairly consistent outcome, we do treat princesses etc. in actually reigning royal families as notable, but supposed princesses
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This person is not and never has been a real princess, as she was born after
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I see no reason why this should be any different. The limited data about this individual that I see on the page could easily be included in her parent's page.
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