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Germany--in training, sales and, translating technical documentation). It looked well-researched when I read it in gtranslate. I saw no focus on any vendor's products, other companies' products e.g. Allegro were mentioned; even when Pulsonix appeared in one page which the technotron person was cited as having helped with, it was on a screenshot caption. The magazine appears independent.
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764:, another German tech magazine. EDN had a few more articles covering it but I didn't understand what they said so... Also had a stab at explaining the Hermes EU/European Commission thing. I removed nearly all of the SPA creator's text except the features list. The topic's a bit too technical for me, hopefully I didn't introduce any mistakes. (
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666:). Agreed on Wired point, I think (?) he was ed. back when the blog entry was written anyhow. I hadn't really noticed the ATS thing; just found it on google scholar. I checked SMTA's site (an industry body in that field) and they don't provide free fulltext access so may as well link to the ATS copy.
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250:: I find no substantive coverage via Google, and the one reference given in the article doesn't support the claim of rave reviews, Pulsonix being mentioned nowhere in it. Besides that, what is the Hermes project, and would a rave review by one customer amount to general notability?
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