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443:- This article shows a cultural emergence of 'quantum fiction' and documents and reflects the genre and its usage as a cultural evolution over more than a decade. Usage, interest and the cultural expansion of the subject 'quantum fiction' as a genre is evidenced by citations that include: major newspapers, academic institutions, various authors, art critics, and multiple publishers. Verifiable sources include Publishers Weekly, The St. Petersburg Times, The Alexandria Gazette, Panorama Magazine (Mondadori), Rodopi Publishers (Amsterdam - New York), NBC Television series, Scholarly Book Services, Avon Books, Cosmos Books, various University publications, as well as published books, both fiction and academic. Additional citations of the term's usage include numerous authors (Ranse Parker, Wilson Harris, Audrey Niffenegger, Charles Platt, Vanna Bonta, Laurie Brenner, Jean-Philippe Toussaint among others) citing their published books as quantum fiction, and critics and reviewers have described a new NBC network television series with the term, calling the genre 'quantum fiction.' Citations list book reviews that describe books and televisions as a 'quantum fiction' genre. A doctoral thesis was presented by a PhD on quantum fiction as a new genre and how it affects the marketplace. Several university dissertations on the term quantum fiction from various sectors, independently exploring an emerging genre; college courses. Numerous citations in this subject reflect the coining of the term and over a decade of cultural, professional and academic development. Tracking the usage of the term shows the development of usage and a genre that happened without the persons involved necessarily knowing or mentioning one another because a cohesive view of the emergence of the genre was not yet visible. This is an interesting social study in and of itself -- how various authors and academics within years and time-frames of one another, used the term and explored the genre as pioneers. Citations are provided evidencing the chronology of the emergence and cultural usage of the subject and genre 'quantum fiction' over more than a decade, a global occurrence, and the term appears globally in newspaper, books and other media (usage in US, Spain, Guyana, Caribbean, Italy etc). Since knowledge is the point of Knowledge (XXG), this is a valuable resource. 1023:. That article seriously needs some attention by non-vested interests and experts. I added a lead and some substantial info to the article. I was astonished at how biased to science fiction and lacking the article is and how many unsubstantiated, unsourced "genres" are listed in the scope of this User's Wiki Science Fiction project, as well as non-notable persons. The problem may be lack of understanding and non-professionalism or experience outside of a community at the root of this. Hope to contribute more in the future. There's no need for anything else here but an inspection of the subject, the article, the resources, and the citations, and NPOV. 634:) Thus, the term Quantum Fiction could be understood to mean any fiction which presents the world through the unique share of the perceptive apparatus allotted to the individual narrator. This idea, however, is never fully presented in the article itself. Likewise, the article presents a litany of different physicists who typify the type of thought embodied in Quantum Fiction, but fails to make any mention of Max Planck, the physicist who introduced the term quantum into the lexicon of the physical sciences (in 1900.) 418:) and the references not about the topic, and there's not much left. There's the novel by Vanna Bonta, and the use of the term by Charles Platt and a few others, but that's all. Furthermore, those things are not related, since Platt and the others write after Bonta, but never mention her novel. I can only conclude that the term is being used with different meanings, and therefore that 52:. Even after discounting the few SPA votes, there is still no strong agreement on whether this is a notable neologism, although the "keep" side of the argument seems to have ever so slightly stronger arguments. Would recommend taking some time to clean up the article, get rid of bad references, clarify the definition, and then take another look at what it has become. 885:- It's definitely an emerging genre and well written (most of it). Doesn't fit deletion criteria at all, not exclusively promotional at all. Its definitely informative and useful for other readers. Articles of this kind are very helpful to new authors, who very much rely on web. I came across this while I was browsing for information on a similar genre. 1110:- the involvement of s.p.a. and new accounts in this matter is symptomatic of POV pushers and fringe enthusiasts; but then, you probably figured that out already. The idea that this is all a conspiracy by myself and other people actually familiar with publishing and fiction genres will be evaluated by you for what it's worth; I plan to ignore the 623:
establish, the references in the article itself definitely indicate the existences of a body of critique recognizing the term as appropriate for describing the character particular works. For this reason alone, an article should exist; Knowledge (XXG) lists over 45 different genres in its section on christian writing alone (
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I would edit the article to remove length, to better summarize the unpredictable nature of the term & its application, and to provide proper recognition of Max Planck as the grandfather of quantum theory. Also, I would remove any occurrences of WP:SYNTH that came about from the original author’s
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The Quantum Fiction article provides an overview of the use of the term “Quantum Fiction” as a developing classification for new works that explore unique narrative relationships with the reader as an observer. As written, the article attempts to prove that Quantum Fiction is a distinct genre. While
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If we delete every article that used blogs as references there wouldn't be much left. I just tend to browse the refs to make sure that are more reliable, and see if the ref includes the data - a quick re-look gives velocityebooks.com, www.publishersweekly.com, www.changingplanes.net and plenty of
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article and posted patently false silly nonsense like this back in 2007 -- and was recorded in other forums encouraging others to dislike, harass and vote delete. Is this NPOV? With a group of identified friends (some with COI in genre publishing circles) who have become notorious for trying to
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According to the List of Literary Genres page, “Literary genres are determined by literary technique, tone, content and by critic definitions of the genres.” While the specific technique, tone and content aspects of Quantum Fiction as presented by the article are nebulous and therefore hard to
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page - the admin who deleted Quantum fiction 5 years ago? but who has been retired 4 years. Back then, 5 years ago, (2007) Coredesat deleted an article on this subject, bypassing a Keep consensus, while this current AfD nominator Orange Mike was simultaneously calling for deletion of a
313:- take a closer look at those "references", Ron: many of them never mention the phrase; some are blogs; and at least one of them is either a copyright violation of the recreated article, or the recreated article is a copyright violation of the blog post! This thing reeks of 1091:. Compare what it looked like before my contribution). Very important distinction: just because one person is not clear on the definition or does not understand the article does not equal that it and all the secondary verifiable sources do not exist. 619:
this proposition is well supported by decent sourcing indicating that the term has been used in a variety of different places to mean a number of different things, nothing is presented which distinctly codifies Quantum Fiction as a distinct school.
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is another example of this, predating the work pretending to the invention. Several of Egan's works probably would fall into this category (I'm not going to call it a genre.) Still keep, but weakest possible. Article needs lots of work.
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as a non-notable neologism unsupported by sufficient reliable sources. The closing moderator should please note that a number of the 'keep' !votes are from new or nearly-single-purpose accounts, including a now-blocked editpr. -
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I'm pointing out that "emerging" can be a euphemism for "I think it's gonna be notable someday". As to Strehle: I've never heard of her or her purported publisher, and rather doubt that either can be considered a
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What's new here is the name, and the author's presumption that she's invented a new superset that includes science fiction. This (quantum effects in reality) is an old idea (cf.
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The ambiguity surrounding the meaning of the term is, perhaps, not a bad thing. The root definition of the word quantum, from the 1610s, is “one’s share or portion.” (
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lets the closing admin make his own decisions based on the arguments put forward and not on the users - this is supposed to be a discussion on the article, even a
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s central premise is far from any mainstream view of quantum mechanics is excusable; every science fiction novel is entitled to one outrageous hypothesis."
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Recreation of a deleted article as a vanity sop to a notorious spammer. Still a neologism without any substantial presence outside her spamming.
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would not agree; category is "hard science fiction" (premise is built on a physical device in people's brains). In fact Egan writes: "That
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In my opinion, this article is obviously relelvant, there are several links, the page has a wealth of information.
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Clearly all the usage, papers, books and discussion by sources are about 'quantum fiction' as a new literary genre.
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others to more than satisfy WP guidelines for inclusion. Some may be small sites, but they are not all blogs.
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Do you seriously think that's what Susan Strehle means when she talks about the 'emerging genre' in her book
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Reply to Comment: Regarding title you suggest predates the one listed, verification shows the author of
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can make a comment, it's up to the closing admin to how much weight (s)he gives those comments.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=quantum&searchmode=none
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is now, sadly, deceased. Should this AfD result be keep, then I suggest a history merge with
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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to keep all the attributions together. I can do that if the community is in agreement.
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The assertion that these unrelated uses of the term form a "genre" is classic
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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demonstrated above) the fact that it doesn't have a clear definition.
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elements in favor of discussing the topic on its lack of merits. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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And some keep votes are from Admins. I would suggest that
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