227:. Wenocur satisfies all six criteria most obviously the fact that she has published works that are widely cited by other academics in the field. Previous deletion is not grounds for deleting this article, and neither are hostile edit summaries. The creator is knowledgeable in the relevant field, but is not an experienced Wikipedian. He has been frustrated in trying to create an article about an academic who is certainly notable in her field and had a moment of bad judgement in an edit summary. --
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1059:: This is RS Wenocur. Enough of this, please. I did not post my own article, ever. It was an employee of mine, it seems. Do not punish him. We share seven computers, a server, a LAN, and are not sockpuppets. If you want my bio off of Knowledge (XXG), fine, so be it. But do not label Dr. Legrand as a sockpuppet, if he was the one to create the article. His reputation is at stake. Thank you.
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777:- she's listed in the drexel link 'Wenocur, Roberta S. - Asst. Professor, Mathematics' Additionally the abstract is to show her participation in the University of Pennsylvania; not provide information on the abstract itself or else in the article it would mention the abstract. Just thought I'd clarify.. not even sure why since I'm voting delete. --
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Some special Vapnik-Chervonenkis classes RS Wenocur, RM Dudley - Discrete
Mathematics, 1981 Cited by 69 - Related Articles - Web Search) Among the sixty-nine works citing the Wenocur-Dudley paper is the following: Estimation of the Stapes-Bone Thickness in Stapedotomy Surgical Procedure Using a
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