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1004:. All works are self-published. Note that his press releases and the WP article state that he was "signed" to Universal Kingdom Print, when in fact he owns the company, to the extent one can consider this a "company". There are virtually no library holdings, zero independent reviews in either the mainstream press or the specialist publishing press such as Kirkus Reviews. The "awards" are utterly non-notable. This leaves us to seeing whether he passes the
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Pasadena Star. Some of the content was deleted from the sights I assume, but I would say he's notable and meets the recs.
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to a deletion discussion, and to try to differentiate themselves from each other; a deletion vote is supposed to be an editor's own argument after looking at evidence, not piggybacking off of another user's rationale without actually understanding
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with evidence instead. Everyone saying there are multiple reliable sources needs to actually show us them; having hits in a web search is not enough and each source need to be assessed individually for its independence, reliability, and coverage.
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as it's notable. Won't speak for anyone else, but I saw him speak at an intern entrepreneur speakers conference, and doing some review it currently covers that even more so than before, as it should.
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