2505:. Go down to the singles section, and you will see that almost all of these songs are singles and charted high on either rock raido (Mainstream Rock) or the Hot 100. I feel that all of those should be left alone. Also, I'm very baffled at some of the songs you want to delete versus those that should stay. Seriously, you want to delete "Last Child" and "Back in the Saddle" but not "Fever" or "What Kind of Love Are You On"?? "Blind Man" but not "Walk on Water"?? "Lightning Strikes" but not "Shela"?? Your logic makes absolutely no sense to me. Also, you say this is not an Aerosmith wiki. Well, this is also not a Beatles wiki, but they have about 198 separate song articles and probably 100 other Beatles-related articles. Still, both groups are prominent musicians and cultural icons, and their songs thus deserve a place here. I'd like to increase knowledge on Knowledge (XXG), I don't know about you.
1350:. Enough with the deletionist stuff. This is absoultely sickening. Aerosmith is one of the most important and influential musical groups ever and are listed as a high-priority musician on Knowledge (XXG), one of only a handful. If the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and AC/DC get articles for every song, Aerosmith should at least get articles for their most notable songs. Additionally, many of these are singles...17 in fact. Seven reached the Hot 100. One is deemed one of the 500 most influential rock songs of all time. One has a tour named after it. Others were big rock hits, concert staples, or are featured on so many compilations, on the radio, in concert, or covered so many times that they are practically hits. This is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe try Wiki-fying or expanding these articles if they aren't to your suiting.
2693:. Most of these are not notable enough for their own article. Placing in the Top 100 or beign on a soundtrack is not enough for an article. It needs more than that, like being frequently covered. Of course, there are lots of other songs on wikipedia with equal lack of notability, and rooting them all out would be a painful job. But the rule should be not to let them proliferate, because potentially that would mean hundreds of thousands of such articles. Where the song is a track on an album, the info could easily be given at the album's article. (AC/DC do not deserve all their songs to have articles either!)
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Aerosmith article. What happen next? You'd like to delete all stub articles? In the history of these articles you will find many edits by different user and I don't think that they have your opinion as well. It doesn't matter singles or songs. You can use
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