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882:, but he didn't actually play at the fully professional level of his sport since he was only on the offseason/practive squad. There is enough non-trivial coverage of him in reliable sources out there to establish notability as a college player and his "membership" on a professional team. Although failing WP:ATH doesn't automatically make him non-notable I haven't seen any coverage that makes him stand out in any way, hence the delete. If he were to actually play professionally then he would warrant an article in my opinion. 1002:. I'm on the fence, in part as I know precious little about American football, okay, about any footie ball. Most pro athletes have high-profile careers if only because they were famous and after they retire from their sport they are a famous person doing some other job ala - "former pro footballer now sells insurance." This only gives a sentence for our purposes here but it's worth stating; many pro-athletes are a lot more visible than that. Cunard, or someone?, could you have a turn at sorting through 48:. I felt that the keep side had the point here. While this may be a borderline case, he has been covered; and, even if this isn't the first time a local athlete has been covered by local papers, he's still been the subject of coverage in his area. Local notability isn't the same as being a household name, but it's still notability. Props to 1007: 1003: 659:- It appears to be no use, but none of that coverage is substantial. He's really not notable enough, no matter how this vote turns how. Hell, I created the article and I know he's not notable enough. Especially since he hasn't been with a pro team this year and his professional career seems to be over before it started.► 940:
by applying the primary notability criterion. If someone independent of the subject has gone to the effort of creating and publishing a non-trivial published work about it, then that someone clearly deems the subject to be notable. Knowledge (XXG) editors determine whether a subject is notable not by
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articles certainly fall outside this. They, however, only commented on him because he was signed to the Bills. Whether this is or isn't enough for him to be notable seems like a very fine line to me - just like whether or not he is still a professional athlete because he was signed even though he
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states that local newspapers covering college athletes, even though they are reliable sources, do not neccesarily help to determine the notability of a college athlete. "It has already been accepted that professional athletes, regardless of their accomplishments in their field, may have articles.
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with the Bills doesn't make him notable enough, then an article that listed Felton as a handful of Bills signings shouldn't either. Most of that coverage isn't focused on him, but rather the result of playing at an SEC school. Knowledge (XXG) has some serious notability issues if that's enough for
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Update: Thanks to User:Cunard for working on this article. It's clear that to me there are sufficient reliable sources for a stub article. I wish the sources had more information about his life and career but they are sufficient to source what is there and meet
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disqualify those sources. The last two articles I cited are significant coverage about Felton's college football career. One of those sources devotes an entire article about Felton's impact on his football team. I concur that Felton fails
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But local newspapers also cover high school and college athletes. In every city and town, there are several high schools and colleges and papers that cover them. So inevitably, these athletes will receive coverage." Additionally
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didn't play a single actual game. Also my former statement about him not "standing out" was poor wording on my part. Notability is not subjective. I'm just still not totally convinced the he is (or perhaps isn't) notable.
1043:. It doesn't matter if Felton is "famous". What matters is that Felton has received coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. My "keep" vote above lists five in-depth reliable sources that prove Felton's notability. 967:
Indeed, notability ≠ importance. Notability is a guideline to help measure whether there are, or are likely to be, sufficient sources to write a V, NPOV, NOR article. What's key here is that the article is able to meet policy
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I have cleaned up and expanded the article through regular editing. If there is any other important facts that I have failed to include, please post them on the talk page, so I can include them in the article. Thanks,
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created the article before but it got speedied per A7. And you actually created in when the Raiders signed him...Plus those sources do qualify as "significant coverage" there are probably some more out there
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considering whether they themselves think that it is notable. They determine whether a subject is notable by looking for the existence of non-trivial, independently sourced, published works on the subject.
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I also think it's relevant that if I hadn't created the article in my haste to create them for every undrafted NFL rookie, no one ever would have because his professional career never even took off.►
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are listed as having no fee so might be a better place to start. If valid ones can be added to the article or at least listed here it may help folks see that there likely is or is not a
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The sources I have cited are clearly non-trivial, so there is no reason for deletion. Whether or not Felton is famous or "stands-out" should have no bearing on his notability.
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which discusses his freshman year at the University of Arkansas. The ample coverage in reliable sources means that Robert Felton passes
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You are basing your delete vote mainly on Robert Felton not passing WP:ATHLETE. Why? Notability is not subjective. I agree with
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per above links. A starter at a BCS school will almost always have an abundance of "significant coverage" by reliable sources
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All I have to say is that if someone with Felton's life accomplishments is notable, Knowledge (XXG) needs higher standards.►
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Local newspapers do cover college athletes, but there is no reason to disqualify these sources because of this.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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provide more coverage about him. There are also more reliable sources that cover his college years.
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Just going to strike my comments in light of comments made by the guy who created the article
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The first three articles I cited provide enough coverage about Felton to pass
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I expanded and sourced this article before Chris Nelson's delete vote, so G7
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Not notable enough, he most likely wont ever play professionally.--
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determine whether the world has judged a subject to be notable
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news hits to see if any of these are for this Robert Felton?
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correct me if I am wrong, but there are a lot of sources in (
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discusses Felton's sense of humor and his impact on the
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Most of those hits are about a chief police officer.--
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No further edits should be made to this page. 545:; one of the articles is completely about him. 284:list of Athletes-related deletion discussions 8: 278: 242: 282:: This debate has been included in the 246:: This debate has been included in the 217:due to lack of "signifcant coverage". 679:How are the sources not substantial? 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 1157:Knowledge (XXG) is not made of paper 482:University of Arkansas football team 1039:As I commented above notability is 490:The Morning News/Razorback Central 24: 496:and this article should be kept. 432:, I was able to find a number of 606:The links Cunard provided show 426:this Google News Archive search 1: 628:) 13:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC) 584:) 11:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC) 630:I think I'll let this run.-- 1173:01:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 1147:01:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 1100:01:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 1081:01:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 1053:01:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC) 1031:15:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 991:05:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 960:05:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 896:05:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 861:02:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 829:02:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 787:01:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 742:01:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 705:01:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 689:01:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 671:01:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 650:12:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 596:05:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 564:05:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC) 536:03:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC) 506:01:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC) 415:23:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 391:23:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 309:22:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 273:22:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 237:22:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC) 76:05:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC) 52:for fixing up the article. 1209: 381:I strongly respect that. 1185:Please do not modify it. 936:Knowledge (XXG) editors 32:Please do not modify it. 1014:threshold being met. 436:about the subject. 477:Log Cabin Democrat 44:The result was 989: 948: 947: 562: 534: 311: 287: 275: 251: 1200: 1187: 1077: 1071: 1027: 1021: 983: 981: 978: 930: 878:- Almost passes 857: 854: 825: 819: 813: 738: 735: 667: 664: 646: 640: 634: 626: 620: 614: 556: 554: 551: 528: 526: 523: 484:. 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