474:) To those citing this book, (which, BTW, is out of print, unavailable, and completely obscure) has anyone actually read it? Saying "the book is about him" is not necessarily true, DGG, unless you've read it. Is the book about Robert Poulin or is it about the shootings at SPXHS, perpetrated by Robert Poulin? Would a book about Robert Poulin exist without his one act of violence? Inseparable. My opinion is to delete both articles and merge the content into the
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