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516:, nor many of the other sources where the needed sourcing can be expected, including even the review columns from the popular sf/f magazines. The fact that coverage isn't online doesn't make it insignificant. And, the last time I looked, WP:DELETEBECAUSETOOHARDTOLOOKUPBECAUSEITSNOTINDEXEDBYGOOGLE wasn't policy. (Maybe that's too sarcastic. But too many of these fiction discussions simply ignore the fact that there's a significant universe of sources that aren't Google-accessible. Book review indexes, for example, which are usually proprietary databases sold to libraries and colleges, for example.) 500:. Significant character in major series by award-winning writer. Given the extent to which Asaro's fiction has been written about and reviewed, particularly offline, the issue is not whether sufficient sources exist, but whether the fact that such sources don't turn up easily in Google searches justifies deletion of the article. 306:
or keep if important enough in the story. Any significant character in a notable work should get a one or two paragraph description. We're here to provide encyclopedic information--and if the main work is worth covering in the first place, people are likely to want some degree of detail. Why else
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Seriously, what is your problem with simple civility? If you're going to wikilawyer over the clear meaning of every word in the comments of people who don't agree with you, you're just contributing to the incivility problems here. Nobody here accuses you of mindless behavior or challenges your good
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Perhaps you could point out a Knowledge (XXG) article where an established actual person, living or dead, is introduced as originating in the books of author X, just as this character is introduced as being in "the Saga of the Skolian Empire books by Catherine Asaro." The import of the sentence is
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would you use an encyclopedia in the first place, if you didn't want detailed coverage? And, there is certainly no valid reason why there should not at least be a redirect. Anything anyone might want to look up should have a redirect if there's relevant content in Knowledge (XXG).
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clear, as is the unfortunately and unnecessarily derisive tone of your comments. Mocking other Knowledge (XXG) editors and gratuitously challenging their good faith does far more damage to Knowledge (XXG) than the presence of the supposedly inappropriate articles you decry.
560:— The so-called article does not even say that this is a fictional character; that's only in the tags at the top. The "keeps" are empty obstructionism. This fictional universe warrants no more than articles on the author and the books; the rest is just fancruft. 576:. Actually the article describes its subject as a fictional character rather plainly in the opening sentence. And your characterization of other editors' opinions borders on the uncivil, and implies a lack of good faith. 146: 167: 509: 436:. I have little knowledge of the subject but the series seems to be fairly notable, so giving them an article of their own would be reasonable. The character can be added there. 188: 121: 501: 590:
ya, um, no. You are assuming that readers know that the "Skolian Empire" is fictional — for all one knows from that sentence, it's like the "
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nb: one of those Nebulas was for an unrelated work, and the other was for a novella (which this character may not even appear in).
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Covering all the books in a series article would be an improvement over the mess this stuff is now. Go for it. Cheers,
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faith, but somehow you act like sticking metaphorical pins into people is more important than discussing substance.
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How many books has she featured a significant role in, and how major is she in the plots of the overall series?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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in previous discussion. While the article needs work this character is very important to the series.
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It's the book series that deserves an article in my opinion, this character can be merged there.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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unsourced. non-notable fictional character bio that is inappropriate for inclusion.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The character played a notable role in a bestselling series.
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650:I'm being perfectly civil in my view that there is 232:Central character in a series that has won several 452:create an article about the book series and merge 434:Create an article about the book series and merge 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 726:). No further edits should be made to this page. 189:list of Literature-related deletion discussions 482:Certainty no sign in that article ;) Cheers, 274:series. Otherwise merge per previous editor. 8: 622:The "import" of this character, *is* clear: 270:as on of the most central characters of the 326:- no real world importance even asserted. 183: 162: 141: 598:. 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