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115:, contributed by the apparent great-grand-daughter of the subject. This does not mean that the subject might not have been a good or interesting person; he just wasn't notable/noted in any particular field for a contribution meriting recognition in an encyclopedia. One's ancestry may be important to oneself, but it's generally frowned upon to use Knowledge (XXG) for self-promotion of a biographical sort. 456:, he is notable enough for Knowledge (XXG). But anything based on oral family tradition and not verifiable through published sources should really be removed for the time being (until it has been published in a journal article or some other citable publication). Once that has been done, neither notability nor verifiability seems to be in question. 532:. I disagree with Leflyman's view that someone might be notable enough for the Polish WP but not the English WP. English-speaking readers might want to know about notable Poles. This article has no interwiki link, though. The editors working on the Polish-language Knowledge (XXG) would be better placed to evaluate the 582:
With notable historic figures that aren't exactly George Washington, I assume there will be zero ghits and am surprised people use the google test on them. The print references cited above and in the article satisfy the "non-trivial published works" clause of WP:BIO. Notable in Poland does not mean
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that mentions Rodryg Dunin, other info on him in the PL WP apparently is on Elonka's userpage. I would note that while the Polish Wikipedians are very active (more articles than the Spanish version), they still only have about 1/6th the number of articles of the English version, it may just be a case
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Regardless of notability, it's a vanity bio using the contributors own work as primary references. This same contributor relentlessly demands secondary references on articles she deems unworthy and nominates for deletion so she should hold herself to the same standard (or stop being so relentless in
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and remove unverified facts until we can specifically link them to sources. We have sources to use, but we have no way to link the sources to specific facts. If the facts asserted are linked via inline citations, we can keep them. There may be a COI problem here, but that is a
276:. Though I'll agree that there's very little Google-able information, there are multiple references in Polish (which are listed in the References section). For example, it's easy enough to doublecheck that Rodryg Dunin is listed in the Polish Biographical Dictionary ( 191:) apparently has been spreading copies her family tree around the web quite a bit. I thought Rodryg might get an automatic inclusion as a count, but apparently in Poland being a count is roughly as notable as being a 564:
where they haven't drilled far enough down the stack of articles that need to be written to get to Rodryg yet. Also, apparently Elonka doesn't write in Polish ;-) That reminds me, I'm thirsty for a frosty bottle of
364:: Let's be clear here: according to its article, there are over 25,000 names in the 42 volumes of the "Polish Biographical Dictionary." That to me doesn't raise it to the notability requirements of 491: 309: 17: 404: 137: 544: 452: 82: 77: 468:
per Uppland ... it certainly needs cleanup to only verifiable information... but I believe the notability criteria is passed.
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To my knowledge, the entry in the Polish Biographical Dictionary was written in 1928, about 30 years before I was born. --
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listing and other issues. If the Polish WP has an article, this should be an automatic Keep; if not, I'm undecided.
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please if it is notable enough for polski słownik it is also notable enough for an encyclopedia not limited by paper
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Indeed. If you add -Elonka, you get 17 distinct hits and most of them look like Wiki mirrors anyway.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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one. This person seems notable enough by the references listed at the end of the article. --
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That's apparently what they did with this page on the Polish Knowledge (XXG). The author (
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demanding every article be fully referenced from secondary / tertiary sources)
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Looks like notability has been established sufficiently, if not strongly.
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as unverifiable, unless someone can come up with some reliable sources.
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for the English Knowledge (XXG); for the Polish WP, sure. However,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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a "Who's Who" directory of geneological entries, nor is it a
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non-notable for an English language encyclopedia. --
39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 605:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 195:, and he and his family are not on the 490:: same, but stronger, concerns as for 415:. Did the same contributor write the 330:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 559:page in the Polish Knowledge (XXG) 111:Non-notable bio; uncited, entirely 444:. If he is notable enough for the 374:memorial to our deceased ancestors 326:, who are we to argue otherwise?-- 24: 249:userfy this or similar material. 453:Dictionary of National Biography 450:, the Polish equivalent of the 417:Polish Biographical Dictionary 46:no consensus, default to keep. 1: 588:22:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 549:11:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC) 525:04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC) 499:05:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC) 483:04:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC) 461:23:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 433:23:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 424:22:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 408:22:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 385:02:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC) 353:22:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 341:21:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 315:19:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 289:19:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 269:16:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 238:12:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 212:11:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 178:08:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 159:08:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 145:08:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 124:07:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC) 573:02:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC) 52:16:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 534:Polski Slownik Biograficzny 447:Polski słownik biograficzny 324:Polski Slownik Biograficzny 322:. If he is notable for the 278:Polski Slownik Biograficzny 219:, per Sarah. Consider this 622: 227:is fufilled and therefore 598:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 197:list of Polish magnates 370:Knowledge (XXG) is not 134:verifiability concerns 561:re the Dunin family 382: 121: 547: 378: 313: 282:Talk:Rodryg Dunin 117: 113:Original Research 613: 600: 540: 522: 481: 474: 383: 338: 336: 312: 297: 266: 263: 260: 257: 193:Kentucky colonel 122: 107: 89: 34: 621: 620: 616: 615: 614: 612: 611: 610: 609: 603:deletion review 596: 520: 511:problem, not a 479: 470: 377: 339: 334: 328: 310:52278 Alpha 771 304:Fenton, Matthew 298: 264: 261: 258: 255: 116: 80: 64: 61: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 619: 617: 608: 607: 591: 590: 576: 575: 552: 551: 527: 501: 485: 463: 439: 438: 437: 436: 435: 390: 389: 388: 387: 356: 355: 343: 327: 317: 291: 271: 251:Andrew Lenahan 245:and please do 240: 214: 180: 163: 162: 161: 109: 108: 60: 55: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 618: 606: 604: 599: 593: 592: 589: 586: 581: 578: 577: 574: 571: 567: 562: 558: 555:There is one 554: 553: 550: 546: 543: 539: 535: 531: 528: 526: 523: 518: 514: 510: 505: 502: 500: 497: 493: 489: 486: 484: 478: 475: 473: 467: 464: 462: 459: 455: 454: 449: 448: 443: 440: 434: 431: 427: 426: 425: 422: 418: 414: 411: 410: 409: 406: 403: 400: 395: 392: 391: 386: 381: 375: 371: 367: 363: 360: 359: 358: 357: 354: 351: 347: 344: 342: 337: 331: 325: 321: 318: 316: 311: 308: 305: 301: 295: 292: 290: 287: 283: 279: 275: 272: 270: 267: 252: 248: 244: 241: 239: 236: 235: 234:Daniel.Bryant 231:established. 230: 226: 222: 218: 215: 213: 210: 206: 202: 201:see this list 198: 194: 190: 186: 185: 181: 179: 175: 171: 167: 164: 160: 156: 152: 148: 147: 146: 143: 139: 135: 131: 128: 127: 126: 125: 120: 114: 105: 101: 97: 93: 88: 84: 79: 75: 71: 67: 63: 62: 59: 56: 54: 53: 50: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 597: 594: 579: 565: 557:encyclopedia 556: 533: 529: 512: 508: 503: 487: 471: 465: 451: 445: 441: 412: 393: 361: 345: 319: 299: 293: 277: 273: 254: 246: 242: 232: 220: 216: 204: 189:Elonka Dunin 183: 182: 165: 129: 110: 66:Rodryg Dunin 58:Rodryg Dunin 45: 43: 31: 28: 496:Ohconfucius 170:Sarah Ewart 151:Sarah Ewart 138:check ghits 538:JamesMLane 419:as well? 307:Lexic Dark 229:notability 421:RFerreira 413:Undecided 205:Weak keep 49:Sandstein 585:Oakshade 570:Tubezone 530:Question 513:deletion 458:Upp◦land 380:Leflyman 221:stricken 209:Tubezone 119:Leflyman 509:cleanup 492:Antonin 488:Comment 472:ALKIVAR 362:Comment 350:Yuckfoo 83:protect 78:history 517:Jayron 430:Elonka 394:Delete 366:WP:BIO 300:thanks 286:Elonka 243:Delete 217:Delete 184:Userfy 166:Delete 130:Delete 87:delete 335:talk 225:WP:RS 142:MER-C 104:views 96:watch 92:links 16:< 580:Keep 566:piwo 504:Keep 466:Keep 442:Keep 346:keep 320:Keep 294:Keep 284:. -- 274:Keep 174:Talk 155:Talk 100:logs 74:talk 70:edit 376:.-- 262:bli 247:not 223:if 568:. 521:32 405:ie 402:rr 399:Ga 265:nd 259:ar 256:St 253:- 176:) 157:) 140:. 136:, 132:- 102:| 98:| 94:| 90:| 85:| 81:| 76:| 72:| 545:c 542:t 480:☢ 477:™ 332:| 302:/ 172:( 153:( 106:) 68:(

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Sandstein
16:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Rodryg Dunin
Rodryg Dunin
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
Original Research
Leflyman
07:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
verifiability concerns
check ghits
MER-C
08:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Sarah Ewart
Talk
08:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Sarah Ewart
Talk
08:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Elonka Dunin
Kentucky colonel

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