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577:. I look at this every week and think, "We really shouldn't be legitimizing this man's fantasy world" but never make a statement because his attempts to create an air of legitimacy about this have been fairly successful. Who knows, one day Ecuador may have astronauts but right now I don't think he qualifies as notable by being a professional astronaut. If he were a professional astronaut the evidence wouldn't be so iffy. I know that's circular reasoning but generally it isn't necessary to argue about whether or not someone is an astronaut. In this case the need for argument is itself a factor in the argument. 259: 349:
A Latin American astronaut is a notable person. The fact that he does not fly is not a criteria for no-notability. Non Scientific editors should not be allowed to comment here. Otherwise they woud know that, for example, chicken are birds but do not fly. Would you say that a chicken is not a bird
262:, most of it in Spanish. I don't deny that it sounds really made-up, especially the space agency that he founded, but it appears that he is the first person from Ecuador to have done it, even if it wasn't a research trip, but a commercial trip. There's also a trivial mention on 267: 301:
Ok, I read through a lot of links, he's referred to as astronaut, and part of the Soyuz (Factiva article preview), but on checking the Soyuz crew from TMA-8 to TMA-15, he isn't listed. I don't know what to make of this, it's just too absurd!
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He flies ! On eguadorian jets, he even mesures microgravity and UV index. This is not notable enough? He has created a Space Agency, by himself. Do you know many people who own a space agency? Not notable enough? What elese do you
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has a very important sounding name, but... does it exist outside of Nader? I see no evidence that it's more than a one man organization. Perhaps making Nader redirect there? Or vice versa? -
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Can you prove that he's done more than dress up, start a website and strut around? In my mind, the current question is "It's bullshit, but does it rise to the level of notable bullshit?" -
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article - self proclamed astronaut who has no other proof of his status than his own words and the articles based on them. This guy is just another Rick Hobson.
644:"Nader is set to fly as mission specialist for the first three manned space missions of the Ecuadorian Civilian Space Program." Come on, this is insane. 209:
If the event is significant, and/or if the individual's role within it is substantial, a separate article for the person may be appropriate.
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He has flown in zero-g on board an airplane. So did I during an ESA sponsored flight for students. Should I get my entry in wikipedia ?
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per nom. Vanity article of a non-notable subject with most references coming from the author's own website and writings.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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by me. Claims to be a scientist (listed as "Ecuadorian Scientist") without providing proper references, etc. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I admit there's something weird and vaguely half assed about the whole thing, but notable is notable. -
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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and unless that cite is proven false, I think the first Ecuadorian astronaut is notable.
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Vanity article by non notable person who is trying to be considered as "astronaut".
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
185:: Needs better sources, but the guy seems notable if the text is true. 721:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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because there are no independant sources saying that they fly?
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of his 'first astronaut from Ecuador' status, and an article in
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The first Ecuadorian astronaut is certainly notable.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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BJ
04:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Ronnie Nader
Ronnie Nader
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11:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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12:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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00:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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