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493:, how about we let this and others like it get redirected. I doubt you will get a consensus to keep these without showing some significant sources anyway. A redirect would preseve the history and if (inexpensive) sources do turn up in the future it will be easy enough to reverse the redirect and add the sources. Forcing all of these to come to AfD just wastes time and risks the articles getting deleted altogether, with little chance of a keep. If you want to reverse the redirect and add sources, I don't think anyone will have a problem with that but until then there is little point arguing over them. 507:
Great, Alex, but if you don't actually have a newspapers.com subscription, could I ask exactly where you got these links you claim exist are from, and how you managed to review them to ensure they're good cites? Because if you can't actually get at them, I've got to question whether they exist at
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Guidelines are indeed guidelines, and they're not set in stone. And in order to set them aside, we need to see some frigging seriously compelling arguments. "His body of work and accomplishments make him notable" isn't one. For all you claim that you've got "plenty" from newspapers.com, Alex, I
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Guidelines are just guidelines, notability isn't concrete or set in stone. Plus, have you considered actually looking up sources (which, I imagine, you rarely do)? I'm finding plenty just on the abstracts from sites like newspapers.com.
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Now that the precedent has been established you really should just redirect the articles instead of bringing them to AFD if there are other similar ones out there. If someone objects then you can bring it here.
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You are incorrect. I do not feel any obligation to further defend and/or explain my methods of checking for sources to you, especially since you aren't going to listen anyway.
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or redirect if you want. The newspapers.com sources are all very much routine coverage. Only a handful of sources noted him beyond one sentence.
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Judging by your past AfDs, what you consider "checking for sources" is just looking at the first page of Google returns.
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How many people have been All-Americans twice and won a College World Series Most Valuable Player?
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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And this is why I don't simply redirect these. Alex, could you be a little more specific?
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Why delete and not redirect when there is a perfectly appropriate redirect target?
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Non-notable individual, fails GNG and BASE/N. I would be okay with a redirect to
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How would you know whether or not I look up sources? Do you work for the NSA?
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Does that make him notable by any standard other than your personal opinion?
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Behind a $ 79 a year Newspapers.com subscription that I'm not going to pay.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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His body of work and accomplishments make him notable.
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