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Bakersfield which has about 40% of the population of Kern County. And ditto for Delano and Arvin and so on. So it's more like a city councilor in Indianapolis if Indianapolis neighborhoods mostly had their own mayors and budgets and provided their own services. Also, I don't see the LA Times in any of the refs. There are (at this writing) 14 refs, and 7 of them are the
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Exalted Ruler of the local lodge, once when he announced that the lodge was making a large donation to a charity building schools in Afghanistan, and once when he was feted for long service. He was mentioned and briefly
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