211:: There's no doubt that the article is in a much more encyclopedic state now than it was a week ago, and thanks are due to the editors who have worked on it. One new source, the "Scientific basis for Ayurvedic therapies" seems a good find. Unfortunately I can't see the previews via my local Google books, so I'm in no position to judge whether that source is sufficient to build an entire article upon, or whether the information would be best as part of a larger article. I leave that decision to the good sense of my fellow editors. --
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