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trivial coverage about her, do we have an article only anybody who has conducted a piece of research? Huffington Post is the fifth source, but it's just a link to her having an author page not articles about her. The sixth source isn't even national but sub-national, do I really need to explain that one? LinkedIn is used as the seventh source, that does not establish notability, almost anyone can make a page on that. The eighth source is primary. Her being on a TV show is what source nine is about, but just being on a TV show does not establish notability. I removed the source that was previously the tenth source as it was probably a copyright violation.
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The first source in a national source and doesn't establish world wide notability. The second does not establish notability but just verifies her status as a clinical psychologist. In the third article she is basically an author, the article is basically by her not about her. The fourth source is
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Spotify to come up with a Spotify playlist that "can help reduce the anxiety associated with fear of flying" (I am now vomiting) - Tracy Brown (28 May 2013).
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