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other people's honors? The vandalism done by theriscian has already stripped our school of its honor. Every other school in th province is talking about us. Now what would you feel if you were in our place? Or do you even have feelings!? All you think about is yourself, you never give other people a chance, you never care about the honor, about reputation just because they aren't yours and will not help you in anyway. Okay, I know I'm definitely going too far so sorry... but, we're not asking you delete the article just because we don't like it. We want it to be deleted so we can at least move on and rest assured that whatever happened in the past will not repeat again. Sincerely yours,
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be sustained, please think again. The trouble this article had brought did not just damage the school name but damaged the whole of the Rizal
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503:— Where is the AfD template on the article page? The lack of a template makes this look like an improper AfD nomination. Overall the article is lacking in citations, especially regarding the awards the school has supposedly won. The tone is also somewhat non-encyclopedic and non-neutral. The school may well be more notable than is typical, but the article needs more work to demonstrate such. —
561:- Article does clearly need a cleanup and further references, though it does not seem that controversial to me. The article suggests that the school does appear to have some importance - a search indicates the school is mentioned on many websites though nothing very conclusive. It has to be taken into account though that my searches is restricted to English speaking sources only.
842:: The article has been vandalized once and can be vandalized again. To avoid such event, deletion should be done at once. None of those who answered "Keep" actually know about the controversy caused by the vandals of the articles. Also, the deletion of this article is not motivated by personal interests but by far deeper matters.- CK Luna 04:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
1180:, we're not going to stop you. The mere fact that you can write in your comments even anonymously means that you could do this to the article yourself. If you're having problems with the way it's written, the only way to go is to contribute and make improvements to the article. And, hey, if you can even make it a
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639:? Name it, it's here. And not one of their administrators complained and asked to have the articles removed. As for any "damage", I wasn't able to find any information that might be considered demeaning or degrading to your school, so if ever you find one such information, I invite you to
1248::Just delete this. Put an end to the debate. Why are you making your life more complicated by posting that this article should be kept? Just type strong delete, eat, sleep, and that's it. You made almost 500 students of Rizal National Science High School carry lighter loads.
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692:; it's not a valid vote when other reasons beyond the nomination have been presented for the article's deletion. I might be convinced that, e.g. "all national science high schools in the Philippines are notable" if someone presented
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