409:. Please, assume good faith. Magazines and newspapers with limited circulation are valid. Their circulation alone does not determine their notability. Thousands of articles in Knowledge (XXG) feature data drawn from brochures never again reprinted. Things like populations of cities, wartime events, lives of prominent politicians, geomorphology, molecular biology, architecture, turning points in history, advancements in technology, mass crimes, etc. No one is going to roam through articles about living artists in order to remove whatever information originated from small press. There’s no need to remove all mention of Polish language periodicals from this article under the threat of WP:COI. And please remain cautious about possible vendettas against immigrant periodicals by immigrants themselves, even though their opinions might have the appearance of objectivity. There are living people behind these publications, people with vested interest in their quality. In Vancouver where I live, the best local zines ARE free of charge:
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speaks the language. In his translation (quickly challenged as “lacking in understanding of literary and editorial terminology”) we can read for example: “One of the most interesting poetic entries in recent years in émigré poetry”... “his national debut was a late debut by an already matured poet, both artistically and philosophically.” Meanwhile, even a short list of essays written in Polish was subsequently deleted from the article by
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I don't object per se to people writing their own articles, but given that resources they then have, there is no excuse at all for inadequate referencing of claims. They should also be extra-ready to defer to other editors on issues like notability, as there is a clear COI. You do have a COI, which
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