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299:, with many thousands of characters: as of the mid-80s they published a universe guide which ran to about 10 volumes of fairly thick paperback books. A similar work today would be at least twice or even three times that, and that isn't even counting offshoot universes like the Ultimate Marvel, the Mangaverse, 2099, New Universe, etc. And Marvel obviously isn't the only comics company out there, either. A list of characters would probably be enormous. Yes, one could break it down like 280:(and I know I have spoken to various people about this as a lot of the lower level and mid level characters should probably be merged into a characters entry) but I think that requires a broader debate. Deletion is a poor interim solution and, as the entry looks solid enough, I am voting to keep it, at least until the broader issues can be addressed and resolved (not dealt with piecemeal like this) - at which point we might want to return to this. ( 352:-approved approach would be a transwiki (if needed) and slotting them into character lists. In the end it is a case of use it or lose it as people are always going to be nominating such border-line characters as this (and there are worse out there) and they will be gradually picked off and the whole thing gets messy. There is a broader solution that allows us to keep the bulk of the information. ( 221:
The nominator's brief edit history concerns me. Character is notable as having been part of a major storyline involving a vigilante murdering supervillains; this character's death occured during a large-scale massacre that served as the climax of said storyline, which led Captain America to catch the
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Notable enough to have been brought back to life after dying, have a second persona, then a second person as the original persona, and an Ultimate version. All told at least a couple dozen appearances, including several as the main focus of the issue. If this were a one-issue wonder I'd say delete.
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is less extensive but the category should give us an idea of existing entries. It may also be that we'd want to transwiki some of the entries to more detailed wikis so we can link on to them too. That is how you'd do it - it'd need a bit of planning and a lot of hands on to make sure everything is
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reliable sources. Nonetheless, the article would be improved by secondary sources. As for notability, the character has appeared in notable titles from a major comics publisher, so there is some inherent notability. As a worst case scenario, I could see the character being relegated to a list of
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edited together right but it is doable. The bottom line is that a lot of these comic characters are either not notable or are right on the edge. I don't feel deleting them is the way to go - transwiking is certainly one way but the
531:. Minor, sure, but the character and his death have had a signifigant influence on the ongoing in-story actions of several more notable villains, including some former members of the Thunderbolts and the Sinister Six. -- 343:, etc. and the name would then redirect to the section. Things like the DC characters list is fairly solid and as detailed as you'd ever want so you could get a reasonable idea of how to break it down further. 77: 456: 569:- This article could certainly be improved but I would think the fact that there have been multiple versions, including a recent ultimate appearance would make the character notable enough 226:. Also, as stated above, he was "resurrected" and also had a version in Marvel's Ultimate line. Article has no OOU text at the moment, but I plan to rememdy that as I did with the 137: 72: 331:, although it might need more fine-grained divisions (A-Ad, perhaps). It'd basically be a longer multi-page version of the examples given on 104: 99: 108: 17: 344: 340: 91: 328: 596: 36: 550:- There are a lot less notable things on this site than the Ringer, besides he was "notable" enough to be replaced :) 303:
and so forth, but that gets into muddy waters as well, as most villains aren't exclusive to a single hero or title.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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There may be important questions to ask about such middle-rank comics characters, in relation to
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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minor villains and the current information summarized, but it wouldn't be my first choice. --
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nor does helping out Captain America. If sources show up, I'll change my vote.
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The general plan would be to merge them to a list as can be seen starting at
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this character has appeared in several notable comic book titles. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I'm not sure how a merge would work: the Marvel universe is
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367:Note this broader issue is being discussed on the 48:, equal in weight of arguments from both sides -- 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 599:). No further edits should be made to this page. 418:That's not what is meant by reliable sources! 8: 455:: This debate has been included in the 70: 230:(which was decided as a Keep) and the 73:Articles for deletion/Ringer (comics) 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 437:Little to no real-world notability. 166:I changed the nomination to link to 69: 514:no outside sources = not notable. 24: 345:List of Marvel Comics characters 341:Characters of Final Fantasy VIII 399:issue here as primary sources 144:Non-notable minor villian. No 1: 329:List of DC Comics characters 301:List of Spider-Man villains 616: 57:23:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC) 579:10:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC) 560:20:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC) 541:15:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC) 524:05:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC) 507:04:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC) 490:22:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC) 472:08:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 447:02:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 428:05:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC) 414:01:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 381:17:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC) 362:19:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 323:02:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC) 290:17:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 269:16:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 244:13:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 214:12:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 184:06:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 161:05:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 592:Please do not modify it. 369:Comics Project talk page 32:Please do not modify it. 337:Characters of Carnivàle 68:AfDs for this article: 222:formerly untracable 474: 460: 607: 594: 552:StarSpangledKiwi 499:Peregrine Fisher 461: 451: 320: 317: 314: 311: 261:Bestmanforthegob 211: 208: 205: 202: 153:Bestmanforthegob 135: 129: 111: 54: 44:The result was 34: 615: 614: 610: 609: 608: 606: 605: 604: 603: 597:deletion review 590: 318: 315: 312: 309: 209: 206: 203: 200: 168:Ringer (comics) 148:mention, fails 131: 102: 88:Ringer (comics) 86: 83: 66: 63:Ringer (comics) 50: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 613: 611: 602: 601: 584: 582: 581: 563: 562: 544: 543: 526: 509: 492: 475: 449: 432: 431: 430: 406:GentlemanGhost 390: 389: 388: 387: 386: 385: 384: 305:Andrew Lenahan 271: 251:Clearly fails 246: 216: 196:Andrew Lenahan 187: 186: 142: 141: 82: 81: 80: 75: 67: 65: 60: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 612: 600: 598: 593: 587: 586: 585: 580: 576: 572: 568: 565: 564: 561: 557: 553: 549: 546: 545: 542: 538: 534: 530: 527: 525: 521: 517: 516:Lord Uniscorn 513: 510: 508: 504: 500: 497:per above. - 496: 493: 491: 487: 483: 479: 476: 473: 469: 465: 458: 454: 450: 448: 444: 440: 436: 433: 429: 425: 421: 420:Lord Uniscorn 417: 416: 415: 411: 407: 402: 398: 394: 391: 382: 378: 374: 370: 366: 365: 363: 359: 355: 351: 346: 342: 338: 334: 330: 326: 325: 324: 321: 306: 302: 298: 294: 293: 291: 287: 283: 279: 275: 272: 270: 266: 262: 258: 254: 250: 247: 245: 241: 237: 233: 229: 225: 220: 217: 215: 212: 197: 192: 189: 188: 185: 181: 177: 173: 169: 165: 164: 163: 162: 158: 154: 151: 147: 139: 134: 127: 123: 119: 115: 110: 106: 101: 97: 93: 89: 85: 84: 79: 76: 74: 71: 64: 61: 59: 58: 55: 53: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 591: 588: 583: 566: 547: 533:Noclevername 528: 511: 494: 477: 452: 434: 400: 392: 308: 300: 296: 273: 248: 218: 199: 190: 143: 51: 46:No consensus 45: 43: 31: 28: 439:WesleyDodds 571:Palendrom 482:Pixelface 464:Pixelface 228:Plunderer 191:Weak keep 224:murderer 138:View log 373:Emperor 354:Emperor 350:WP:FICT 335:, e.g. 333:WP:FICT 282:Emperor 278:WP:FICT 105:protect 100:history 52:JForget 512:Delete 435:Delete 249:Delete 232:Melter 172:Ringer 133:delete 109:delete 397:WP:RS 176:Jfire 146:WP:RS 136:) – ( 126:views 118:watch 114:links 16:< 575:talk 567:keep 556:talk 548:Keep 537:talk 529:Keep 520:talk 503:talk 495:Keep 486:talk 478:Keep 468:talk 453:Note 443:talk 424:talk 410:talk 393:Keep 377:talk 358:talk 297:huge 286:talk 274:Keep 265:talk 257:WP:N 253:WP:N 240:talk 219:Keep 180:talk 157:talk 150:WP:N 122:logs 96:talk 92:edit 459:. 401:are 371:. ( 316:bli 236:BOZ 207:bli 577:) 558:) 539:) 522:) 505:) 488:) 470:) 445:) 426:) 412:) 379:) 364:) 360:) 339:, 319:nd 313:ar 310:St 307:- 292:) 288:) 267:) 242:) 234:. 210:nd 204:ar 201:St 198:- 182:) 174:. 159:) 124:| 120:| 116:| 112:| 107:| 103:| 98:| 94:| 573:( 554:( 535:( 518:( 501:( 484:( 466:( 462:— 441:( 422:( 408:( 383:) 375:( 356:( 284:( 263:( 238:( 178:( 155:( 140:) 130:( 128:) 90:(

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
JForget
23:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Ringer (comics)
Articles for deletion/Ringer (comics)
Articles for deletion/Ringer (comics) (2nd nomination)
Ringer (comics)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:RS
WP:N
Bestmanforthegob
talk
05:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Ringer (comics)
Ringer
Jfire
talk
06:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Andrew Lenahan

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