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The main issue here is the title of the article. The article content is a list of members of the R. family who have been convicted of crimes or are out on bail awaiting trial. This totals six people. All criminal activity is properly cited to reliable sources such as the New York Times, and is not
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So there's a reliable source for pulling all this together. The phrase "crime family" may be a bit much. Can anyone suggest other language? {Simply using "family" was considered, but mixing up the crooks and the non-crooks in the family raised
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