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1378:, just considering the cited IBT source alone. I reject the WP:GNG, WP:TOOSOON, and WP:POLITICIAN arguments. That being said, he is known solely for his S4T activities. Neither Fournier's article nor S4T's is very long at all, so I see no practical basis for maintaining two short articles that are essentially about the same thing. TimmyScotts and Jamesharrison2014, your positions are noted, please stop commenting here and let the AfD run its course. 216: 1328:
then there would be no claim to notability. However, that is not the case. Significant attention focusing specifically on Ryan Fournier’s role within the organization, and in other affairs unrelated to the organization, offer a reasonable claim to notability separate from the organization itself. It would seem as if the user is being overzealous on deleting this page.
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is attempting to delete a page that has credibility and nobility. There are reliable sources which devote significant attention to Ryan Fournier’s role within the organization, not just sources which devote significant attention to the organization itself. If there was attention solely on S4T itself,
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Correct, however if an individual creates an organization, represents the organization in print/television/etc and commentates on matters related to their field, such as Mr. Fournier and his commentary, than at that point he would be notable. Not seeing the issue here besides a few unkept sources and
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Again, you are mistaken. This page was created and edited by an account that has only edited Ryan Fournier which leads me to believe it is WP:PROMO. If you look at the edit history of the page it is a few users editing one single page or pages related to Fournier. Also, just out of curiousity how do
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WP:Promo Fails WP:GNG, WP:TOOSOON, and WP:POLITICIAN. Is a clearly WP:PROMO WP:AUTOBIO. It reeks of WP:PROMO, among many other things. The account that is edit warring has only edited 3 pages. Fournier, the school he went to, and his grandfather. Also, same account who has been on this article and
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does not speak to notability. If we gave an article to every student in the news, Knowledge (XXG) would be even more of a laughing stock. For comparison, a 14-year-old boy made international news for bringing a clock to school, and met the President of the United States at the White House, but we
816:- Per Knowledge (XXG) policy you will need to update the page. This is not the place to argue about notability. Also listicle articles such as a list of students do not qualify as notable. Adding Twitter accounts is also not notable. You are making a great arguement for 554:
created this page, I can't say much more or provide any proof because it would compromise their identity. I will make these edits in the coming days, but I wanted to revert to your changes and work from there. I hope we can also resolve this deletion thread. Thank you.
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So you are admitting that his PR Firm is editing this page? How could you possibly know this unless you are Fournier or the PR firm? PS he is not a fox news contributor. This is simply false. If you have any evidence to support this feel free to share.
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I will let you know that many will not believe you when the account who created the article is a single IP address who has only edited the Fournier page. Also, it doesn't matter who created the page if it does not meat WP:Notability.
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numerous times (Which makes me believe he is a contributor of sorts). I believe that is classified as someone with WP:Notability and it follows the guidelines based off of what I have seen in articles, his social media, videos, etc.
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This is false. I did not move the page, I am unsure of even how to perform that action. I am new to most of these features. I made small edits last night to sources to help get the page in order with Wiki standards. It even says on
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on deletion -- The figure in question is public figure. He has multiple articles written about him, quoted on or contributed to. Notability is not temporary and the page has much potential to grow.
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The individual in question is classified as a public figure and a Fox News Contributor. Allow us to make proper edits to the page to avoid deletion. His page is managed by Keybridge Communications.
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This would be a valid reason if Fournier didn't create the organization and lead the movement behind it. Most of what I have read on him is from a credible source and contributes to his nobility.
1619: 1662:: There are a number of issues, and I do suspect Mr. Fournier created the article himself, but the article is nonetheless notable. It just needs substantial revision and clean-up. -- 417:. I worked closely to the campaign and followed some of his work, which is why I sort of help manage his page. I would like to help fix the issues on the page to avoid its deletion. 223: 1096:
and I. I welcome more to edit as well to fix any discrepancies or information not properly cited. I am asking for this deletion thread to be ended since these fixes have been made.
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is attempting to vote more than once. If you look at the page history the above comment is by the same person but he is talking in the 3rd person to appear as if it his not him.
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You are exactly right but no sources have been provided and copyrighted materials continue to be added. Also, you must sign your comments with 4 ~'s to identify yourself.
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created this page. You can make edits to the page to try and make it better but self promtion (WP:PROMO) and Copyrighted materials will be removed per wikipedia policy.
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who first created the Wikipage. That's how I learned about Mr. Fournier. I assumed the page was managed by a PR firm because that's what I was told by the person at
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With all due respect its not my job to educate you on wikipedia policy. You are stating things that are inaccurate and I refer you to Knowledge (XXG):Notability.
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he has a legitimate claim of notability and the sources are there and available elsewhere to back it up. In additon to the sources in the article from the
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Again there is a difference between Ryan Fournier and Students for Trump. When looking at sources are they talking about Ryan or Students for Trump.
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I don't want to post their name on here. Would you allow me to make the proper revisions to this page to avoid its deletion. The page has potential.
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I did not double vote, I opposed the comment added about deletion. Here are some sources on Mr. Fournier which assist in checking his Notability:
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From what I can tell, this individual has quite a few notable sources written on him that take away the argument of him not having nobility per
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it does appear from the discussion above that TimmyScotts is at best a connected contributor and at worst is violating our TOS as a
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No, that is what I thought, I am unsure, apologies. To my knowledge, his page was initially created by an editor at
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
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you know who his PR firm is? It's not on their website and no account by that name has any relation to the page.
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https://mic.com/articles/145019/meet-the-20-year-old-mastermind-behind-students-for-trump#.nnH9ydp9g
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I ask wikipedia to continue with the deletion procedure in the mean time until this is completed.
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It should also be mentioned that Mr. Fournier has appeared in two documentaries, one of which on
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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moves the page. With that being said, edits have been made to fix the initial issues stated.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and would ask the editor to refrain from such actions until this AfD has run its course. --
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http://myfox8.com/2017/03/08/meet-the-nc-millennial-who-helped-trump-win-the-presidency/
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only edited articles related to Fournier uploaded a copyright image to Knowledge (XXG).
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Gah, didn't even see that. REALLY needs to be moved back. I'll expand on my request at
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some informational that seemed promotional, which since has been taken care of.
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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They are mutally exclusive. A notable organization does not = a notable person.
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I have made a small edit. You have edited most of the issues out of the page.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-students-for-trump-227219
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https://www.chronicle.com/article/Meet-the-Young-Republicans-Who/237333
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Delete - per nom. Not notable and seems very promotional.
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created the page? Maybe we can get some context from them?
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reason he was ever in the news. Ditto for Mr. Fournier.
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Needs to be moved back now especially since there is
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