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Olympic Qualifier in 2011 to box off for the Olympic spot, loosing to the Olympic Alternate Robert Easter. Hence, being recruited by the top promotional companies and signing a multi year deal with notable 50 Cent. dubbed a Blue-Chip prospect by many publications and being featured on MTV.Com, and Ring Magazine (the bible of boxing). in addition to the plethora of stories on various boxing platforms, fighting on the ESPN network and the undercards of HBO and Showtime. Ryan should meet
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National Championship for his AIBA, his done it 12x including a Silver Medal at the 2009 Junior Olympics and a Gold Medal at the mens 2010 U-19 Natl. Championships. including being selected to represent Team USA in International competition/tournaments. Success still hasn't stopped, and his media coverage has been constant and still continuing...
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An 8 year old karate yellow belt competes at the highest level he's allowed to, but he's not notable either. Being the best 85 year old boxer or swimmer or whatever also doesn't make someone automatically notable. The criteria is about competing at the highest level--that means no restrictions on
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Boxer has received multiple features/stories and mentions in a plethora of reliable independent sources in his sport. Boxer has won significant awards. Including, but not limited to 12 National
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failed because there are insufficient examples of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Despite what other voters have said, #4 of boxing guidelines is not met. Junior competitions do not carry anything like the notability of seniors, and in this case you definitely can't count a
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This debate in a nutshell has clearly been whether or not the boxers Gold Medal performance at the U-19 National
Championship( 2010) was in the Junior division. Which per USA Boxing rule book Junior Championships are for ages 15-16. The U-19 is for elite men ages 17-18 Years old. Hence, meeting
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Ryan Martin shows notability in all areas of the sport, He's won a total of 12 National Championships and has competed all over the world for team USA. Also, he's ranked 17 in his weight division as a professional and has just recently signed professional w/ 50 Cent in September of 2013.
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Martin won a medal at the National Jr. Olympics too. I'm not claiming he's notable for that reason. He's continued to win significant awards since that time in his life and has consistantely received coverage in his sport, Hence, being recruited by the sports biggest promoters to sign
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the USA national tournament is sanctioned and reconfinzed by AIBA as a World Qualifying Tournament. Mr. Martin won GOLD here. He didn't only make it to the final of that event. He was crowned champion. Also, he was the selected lightweight to represent his country at the World
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Dubious Reliability? Theres not one source on there of such! And only one of the articles could be considered a press release, which was put out by Frigo Revolution-wear announcing their two year branding deal with Ryan Martin. Dubious sources/websites? that is extremely
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