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Bellator with no top-tier fights wouldn't be notable according to the guideline, but could be within a matter of months if he is scheduled to compete in their tournament (and thus fight several times in quick succession). In an instance like that, I would like vote to redirect rather than delete. So, I generally consider each fighter on a case by case basis, which is what I've done here.
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