905:(I am the admin who originally closed this debate then subsequently relisted it). The compelling evidence that convinced me to overturn my own closing and relist was the statement that this toy was featured on a toy industry magazine cover. After reading the above statement that the magazine promotes and sells products it features, I reviewed the magazine's and it does indeed look more like a catalog than a true magazine, as it has links to buy the products next to the discussion of each, and prominently has a
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non notable and not worth anything. Do you know how many collector's sites there are? Do you know how vast this line is in popularity? Do you guys think your cool for berating toys on the internet? Come on... Yeah this comment is probably gonna be disregarded and deleted cause Im not an offical member, its happened before.
804:- hmmm ... the one reference, as you mentioned, requires a subscription. I could not check that. The other reference was intriguiing: I think Toy Collector Magazine would have to rank as an independent source, given that it appears to not be affiliated with wrestling or the company making the line.
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Where is the significant coverage by independent secondary sources? (not counting adverts/promotional material obviously) Is there a perceived interest by collecters? This may indeed be a valuable tool for collecters, but
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Don't delete it. Just don't. It is a reference that is helpfull to many, and a list this good only proves wikipedias awesomeness. It is the most collected action figure line of all, in my opinion. People spend thousands upon thousands of dollars into WWE Classics, but in you peoples opinion, its
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I cited a newspaper but you removed this citation on the spurious grounds that the link requires a payment to access the source in full (a feature of many sources). Referencing sources may require time and expense and allowance should be made for this. Knowledge (XXG) does not confine itself to
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Can we close this now? It's been deleted, and that deletion has been endorsed at DR. The only reason that this is still here is because of a last-minute stay-of-execution by the closing admin, and said admin has now withdrawn his opposition. And by the timestamp, that was three days ago...
335:- I think you misunderstand. We are not berating toys or wrestling. There are penty of articles about both here. When some editors say "this subject is not notable", we are not just giving an opinion. Knowledge (XXG) has a written policy, which is to be enforced:
698:- While I cannot agree that this article should be deleted because a publication like Britannica wouldn't cover it (there are many wholly legitimate articles that Britannica would never cover), I must agree that I still don't see anything that would fulfill
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Being from Canada, I have very limited resources in finding these figures. This page is an excellent source for me to check out whats coming up, so I don't have to make the 4hr. trip down to the boarder, checking store to store.
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169:- I started this page as a tool for collectors. This line has revitalized the jakks Pacific brand, and is one of the top toy lines sought out by collectors. Find something else to do with your time.
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there may be reasons in the rules to delete this. but the page has been very valuable to me since u can not go to the toy makers web site and find this information
137:- A useful tool for collectors, and a figure series extremely dominate. This series has over 200 figures and has been created with turning jakks around.
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Please don't take this deletion debate as a sleight against you, wrestling, or this particular toy. Peace!
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