433:'s concerns of OR are real, and much of the content is OR. Something is only verifiably a cultural depiction of World War III if it is either (1) explicitly called this in the depiction or (2) referred to as such by a reliable secondary source. Many of the entries on this list don't appear to satisfy either of these two conditions. On the other hand, the question of how the prospect of such a war is portrayed in fiction is clearly a notable one that should be explored.
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United States. There was a pervasive dread of a nuclear World War III, and popular culture reveals the fears of the public at the time. This theme in the arts was also a way of exploring a range of issues far beyond nuclear war. The historian
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World War III is a common theme in popular culture. Since the 1940s, countless books, films, and television programmes have used the theme of nuclear weapons and a third global war. The presence of the Soviet Union as an international rival armed with nuclear weapons created a persistent fear in the
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I've given the article a quick rewrite. Could the "delete"s please take a look at it? The topic is clearly notable, as stated above a quick search on Google
Scholar or Books will show sources that discuss WWIII in pop culture as a concept. The concern with it being a list of trivia can be dealt with
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Thank you. Exactly. As has been pointed out from the jump, every fictional war that takes place after 1945 is not by definition "World War III." "Fear of nuclear weapons" doesn't automatically translate into "fear of World War III." A nuclear war is not automatically World War III; indeed, the only
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here and believe that you aren't delibrately trying to mislead people by saying that NOT#DIR doesn't apply to these articles, when it's clear through the deletion of close to if not more than 100 of these pop culture articles as directories of loosely associated topics that NOT#DIR applies. No one
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Wikipedians are too young to remember when we really worried about "World War III", but I agree that this should and could easily be sourced. A mere 25 years ago, before we worried about environmental catastrophes, we worried about being nuked. The years between 1950 and 1990 saw a lot of
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In the past, these articles have been challenged for lack of ref.s to prove notability of the general subject. Here one is provided, though some of the above comments ignore that. All further questions are a matter of editing. WP:NOT#DIR, is not a policy against these article, as they are not
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but has kept growing. While I oppose the creation of new popular culture listcruft, there has to be some accommodation for legacy articles spun off from a parent article in good faith. The topic has been the subject of at least one scholarly work which has numerous citations in Google
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speculation about wars in which we would either be annihilated or occupied. Given that this was a legitimate topic for countless books (another thing
Wikipedians tend not to be interested in) and movies (some interest), this has the makings of a great article.
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In the early 1980s there was a feeling of alarm in Europe and North
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I don't care if it's in paragraph form, just a messy page. A nn subject, just about times a fictional war has (or may have been) mentioned in a tv show or such. Clearly not needed here, like the other trivia forks.
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I think JulesH's principle for sorting out the right ones is a good idea. In this particular article, many of the items really belong in another place, such as nuclear war in ... or future war in ...
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collections of miscellaneous unrelated information, but collections of information about related information of topics with a common theme. The people opposed to these articles are currently trying to
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The article is clearly much improved, the remaining concerns can be dealt with editorially, and I urge those who have been impressed by the initial pile-on delete !votes to take another look now.
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Can you cite every item on that list as being referred to as WW3 by a reliable source? Otherwise they should be removed and it would leave the article quite empty
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