2946:: While I agree that it would be great to improve the referencing, reliable sources simply do not exist and are not available for most of these articles. The consensus seems to be to close this discussion and renominate individual articles or smaller groups, and I agree with that completely. Several editors at WP:PW have tried to locate sources, but there just aren't enough to establish notability. We have tried to work with the editor and encourage him to expand the articles and provide reliable sources, but he has repeatedly ignored our requests and continued to create more unsourced stubs.
2916:. This mass bundling is most troubling as this device can be used (even inadvertently) to sweep up an otherwise viable article that would possibly be mixed in with all the others. This makes as much sense as proposing that Knowledge (XXG) delete every article with the word "wrestling" in it. The fact that a wrestling association is less than a decade old is irrelevant to its notoriety as historically, some associations made their mark in a brief period of time. Also, I hesitate to add to the
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the wrestlers have only wrestled for the above lsted feds. As for the few who seem to have wrestled elsewhere, when was appearing in the bottom 50 of the PWI 500 the bar for notability? Notability is not inherited, holding titles and being in the bottom 50 are not acheivements which merit a place on wikipedia.
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I see, but this is truly upsetting as I've spent quite a bit of time finding little bits of information and creating those articles. One more thing: When you do those searches for the WWP and AWA promotions, you need to look for "WWP Thunderstrike" and also "Africa
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I have made a search of my own to corroborate the ones made above and am satisfied that this federation exists and has been noticed. It doesn't have to be a huge US franchise to be in
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2719:- I think it is important, however, that the articles should be read before they are nominated. I agree with Nikki311 that only about 4 or 5 of these articles are worth keeping. I am very concerned that
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African wrestling industry, which you obviously know nothing about, employs people to do these articles. I did those in my own time and used
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863:The venue
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2765:de-walled
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