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Terrorism article as well, it is all stated there. You say it is factually incorrect then the whole War on Terrorism up until now for the last 6 years should be factually incorrect. I didn't start any revert war, I have given up trying to explain to you Sir Anon the core of what WoT is about because you obviously can not understand it. I stoped reverting your removal of the list of allies from the WoT infobox. But you yourself wanted a source for the list of WoT Allies so I gave it to you, just did what you wanted. According to you we can not use other SOURCED Knowledge articles as a source here. Why? Do you think that Knowledge is totaly factually incorrect. The USA president himself has stated Lebanon is a front in the war on Terror, as well as Somalia, the Phillipines, etc. Don't even try to say Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are not participients in this war. You said the "allies" in the "War on Terrorism" do not acknowledge the fact, well excuse me then what is the "coalition of the willing" or the NATO (ISAF) force. Verifiability you say? Where is the verifiability in what you say? The truth? You should firstly have to know what the truth is about WoT before you make such statements.
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This article was created by a user trying to justify his revert war on another page. It is pure POV, factually incorrect and unsourced. The only references (that don't even show up) are to other
Knowledge articles that don't even assert what Top Gun is trying to assert in this article. Most of the
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I do not see what's the problem here, all of the things stated in the article are true. I never said the whole world supports the campaign, only those who fight al-Qaeda and it's allies. Also all of the things stated in the article have been checked and sourced, they are linked to other wikipedia
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Even combatant is a debatable concept. Some people say nations involved in ISAF in northern
Afghanistan, not heavily engaged against the Taliban/al-Qaeda, are not combatants. If they are not fighting, they are not combatants. Others might say that military forces in a state in conflict are
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This is a discussion right here, we have a week or so to discuss it here. I don't see why it should be discussed on the talk page instead, especially since this article was created by one editor to justify his revert war (for which he is currently
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aren't deletion-worthy concerns to me either (so long as those articles are free from error). In any case, I have yet to see (in this AfD) much toward specific examples of POV, OR, RS, and so on. If it's to exist as just a supplemental list,
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If this article were to be moved and renamed as suggested above, the suggested title of "War on
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