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https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=970&ei=kLg5WpTjPM30jwPH-qmQDA&q=what+were+they+thinking%3F%3A+the+100+dumbest+events+in+television+history+David+Hofstede&oq=what+were+they+thinking%3F%3A+the+100+dumbest+events+in+television+history+David+Hofstede&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5938.6413.0.7502.2.2.0.0.0.0.66.132.2.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.66...0j35i39k1j0i30k1.0.eLHh9tiRoCc
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points out that it only focuses on American television and links to the jumping the shark article in the opening paragraph. And then, there are at least 25 references of this book (and 18 external links mentioning it) that have been culled from Knowledge (XXG) in connection to the entries on the list.
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You only bothered to consider only five websites noteworthy to justify your argument (as oppose to trying to further build a case)! And how exactly are the other articles that I brought up possibly "non-worthy" (are they entirely or ultimately non-noteworthy because you personally never heard of them
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Only time will tell (two people don't make a consensus, so I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions just yet)! And at least I don't have to resort to using profanity out of frustration (or bluntly shoving my "superiority" about the inner workings of Knowledge (XXG)) and insulting people whom I disagree
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Why don't you proof-read your remarks before you're going to respond to me profanely (and you're calling me a child). And what else does there need to be said! I said that the book was published in the year 2004 and was written by David Hofstede with the foreword by Tom Bergeron. The article also
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Only you personally think the sources that you found are "better" (of course the supposed "better" or more viewed ones are going to come first) or the only ones that are acceptable. And I find it odd that you're saying that it's solely my job to prove that the subject is notable, yet you still have
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I don't get what your exact criteria is for what is or isn't "trivial" or "notable"? The book is almost 14 years old now and has often been referenced upfront when it comes to historically covering the very worst of American television up until that point. Just because you personally don't think
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You can't have it "either/or"! How can you say that it's a pretty known book that you've heard a lot about yet on the same token, say that you personally found nothing of real value (there's a reason that things like Google exist)? Frankly, what to you constitutes "true value" in this particular
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Oh. My. Fucking God. Just read the guideline page and learn something. It's like talking ot a stubborn child. Anyone with any knowlege of wikipeida standards would understand simply mentioning a book without giving any analasys is not "in depth" coverage. If you want to build a case for why this
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This becomes most visible in the field of biography - where everyone would love to have his or her personal moment of fame: “I am so important that the most important encyclopaedia of the age has an article on me!” - and here we get the notability criteria. They define what the global community
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I found way better sources than you in a much shorter span, this article does not have a single good source in it right now. In the end your the one who has to prove that the subjetc is notbale, not me that it isn't. I have no job here beyond the fact that I want you to learn something, mainly
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All this sounds extremely egalitarian - “this is the encyclopaedia made by its users…” The hidden downside is the pages authoritarian self-definition: If you want to take part you have to leave aside all your personal vanities. This project is about creating an encyclopaedia and it only allows
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Please by god just look up the wikipedia page for notability, it's not hard to come by. No one has time or interest to go into detail for something which you could easily find out by yourself. This has nothing to do with personal opinon, wikipeida has rules that has to be
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Knowledge (XXG) is free to edit. Anyone can press the button on top of a specific page or next to a subsection. You do not even need a registered account (as on Facebook or here on Quora). Edit and you will leave you IP address and date as the only traceable credential.
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You should really get to know wikipedia guidelines more. Being mentioned on four websites is not notability, at all. And bringing up that other articles exist for other possibly non-notable books doesn't help this article or your case at
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defines to be worthy to be noted. You are important if others have decided that one must know more about you - you cannot enter the enter of this hall of fame by simply writing the article on you that will turn you into a celebrity.
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The entire set of rules in extended. When is a book you wrote so important that it deserves an article? When is an article about your book so important that it can turn your book into an object mankind must know more about.
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This article will be deleted, and you refuse to even try to understand wikipedia's standards. How about you read at all, like wikipedia guidelines for example? That would save everyone else a lot of trouble. I'm done
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some invested interest in it (considering that virtually anybody on Knowledge (XXG) can add and contributed information to any particular article regardless of whom exactly started it in the first place).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?search=What+Were+They+Thinking%3F++David+Hofstede&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=d1mqd7jc16q8l8c3l9ce4v4s5
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information that has some authority behind - not your personal authority but the authority of sources that can substantiate the collective knowledge an encyclopaedia would gather.
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book must be remotely notable if it's going to be acknowledged in at least five different websites. Again, you don't seem to want to bother looking further than that.
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https://www.quora.com/Is-notability-and-its-guidelines-on-Knowledge (XXG)-the-same-as-fame/answer/Olaf-Simons?__filter__&__nsrc__=2&__snid3__=1814567313
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passing mentions in sources that I am not sure meet reliable anyway, or slightly less passing mentions in the authors own blog, do not notability make.
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ranking of the worst shows is deemed to be an expert opinion. However, this does not advance notability of the book itself per the 5 criteria in
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I think that you just proved my point about not having the time or interest to look further into things (guidelines or elsewhere)!
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http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv/2004/11/25/Tuned-In-From-home-grown-to-world-famous-feast-on-TV-turkeys/stories/200411250164
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that it's notable enough doesn't mean that there isn't more to find or look for online beyond just four cases.
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http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2004-12-26/entertainment/0412221020_1_geraldo-rivera-nielsens-magic-johnson
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Yeah it's trivial coverage - mentions. Similar to the mentions that Bornon found on wikipedia articles.
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Actually - in a way - yes, that’s what it is. Knowledge (XXG) notability is something like fame.
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Unable to find any sources, reviews, appearance on bestseller lists etc that shows it to pass
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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article should be kept you could start of by finding a review of it from a reputable source.
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Notability is not fame, please read wikipedia guidelines on notability and learn something.
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Is this clearer enough for you (from around the time of the book's initial release)...
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There are at least 25 separate references on Knowledge (XXG) relating to that book.
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http://www.vindy.com/news/2004/oct/23/on-this-tv-events-list-dumb-and-dumber/?print
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Happy Wookiee Life Day from Luke, Leia, Han, and... uh... Bea Arthur, I Guess.
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And how is that any different than an article for instance on the books
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The Star Wars Holiday Special: Welcome to the Dark Side - WrestleCrap
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That may be because you didn't try or bother to look further enough!
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What Were They Thinking? The 100 Dumbest Events In Television History
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What Were They Thinking? The 100 Dumbest Events In Television History
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Star Wars Holiday Special / Star Wars on TV - Classic TV / TVparty!
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What Were They Thinking? The 100 Dumbest Events In ... - TV Tropes
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10 of the worst TV shows of all time - a scientific* meta-analysis
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That coverage looks ok - however can't copy in entire articles..
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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SleuthSayers: Christmas Stories: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Yes Virginia, There is a Star Wars Holiday Special | HuffPost
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are purely based on the author's personal selection also.
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TV Land “Rebrands” to Raunchy | Parents Television Council
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Existence is Horror: “The Neon Demon” & “Bad Ronald”
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Do you remember the Star Wars Holiday Special? - MeTV
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