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567:, since each deals more with Keppel than the actual notability of the episode on which she appeared. Mentioning the episode received high ratings does not mean it is also a single notable episode. The last reference also relates more to Keppel than the actual episode. The fourth reference discusses ratings and it's higher rating than another show, but one episode achieving a higher rating than the finale of another program does not meet the notability requirements stressed in the other guidelines. Furthermore, none of the references you present are linked in the articles as they stand now. Additionally, the external links within each article feature user-uploaded copyrighted material, which is a violation of 803:- I agree that I was rambling (obviously I shouldn't type when I'm tired :-)), so let me summarise. There is more in the article than the controversy; the article provides an integrated account of the episode. Whether the material should have been handled differently is an editorial matter outwith this AfD; it wasn't, an article has been written, so we are here. The episode is notable because it meets 558:
detail the notability requirements needed for article inclusion. These episodes would be notable if they "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." However, no evidence is presented to suggest that this criteria has been met. The first three references
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list of the questions on the Guardian website, which should aid with verifiability. To answer your last two points, yes the current article is poor, but if it's kept I'll add the sources and remove the YouTube links. Notability is not concerned with article content, as
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Certainly adding a summary to the main article would be a good idea. However, since this episode article exists, my view is that there are sufficient sources around to meet notability requirements. I would add that when a publication such as
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draws social conclusions from a TV episode something notable is happening. Whether the material is better placed elsewhere is an editorial matter that is worth discussing but, since we are here, I see no sound grounds for deletion.
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would it not be more appropriate to add to the controversy section of the main article - which does not mention this - rather than create a small article just for this. The £1 million win is documented in the main article anyway.
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While they include the first episode and the episode of the first million pound win, those events are covered in the main article and the episode article adds nothing to it. The Steve Devlin article is someone famouse for
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Adding the controversy section to the main article means that there is nothing significant left on this article that is not already covered in the main article - so what purpose does this article then serve?
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Even the episode about the first winner isn't notable in its own right. Any useful content should be merged into the main article (I assume there's a section on who's won the big money).
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so there is nothing that needs to be merged. Anyway, the idea that it could not have been added to the main article without keeping this article seems strange.
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If that happens we can then review things but first we need to agree that this page is kept or else there will be nothing to merge!
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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that I'm guessing you were referring to. Signifcant coverage is defined there as follows:
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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at least meets that definition, and depending on interpretation, so would
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List of top prize winners on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
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List of top prize winners on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?
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Well looking again it appears it is already covered at
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