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Authors such as Dörr, Thomas and Wegmann provide a detailed coverage of the military career based on the military records of the German National Archives. This information includes trainings, units assigned to and commands held and date of promotions and other awards presented. In many instances,
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per Peterkingiron. Additionally, current sources appear to be listings of individuals who received the Knights Cross during the time period. They appear to be out of print and could not find a scan of them, but unless anyone has greater knowledge, I'm assuming they are obits/short bios of people
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have this coverage is an insufficient argument in this discussion, as the source has not been produced and the extent of biographical data is unknown. Similar to TonyBallioni, I do not believe that, even if the Thomas & Wegmann entry was produced, it would be sufficient to meet GNG.
547:- from the discussion mentioned above - "it’s possible to meet WP:SOLDIER#1 ("Were awarded their nation’s highest award for valour") and yet not meet notability requirements." I agree wholeheartedly with that statement; this soldier does not meet notability requirements. 598:- Having voted in analogous cases before, I feel the same way about this article here. Merely winning the aforementioned award doesn't inherently convey reasonable notability. It also pains me to see this page referring to the odious 328:
until consensus has been achieved one way or another about whether or not the KC meets the notability criteria. Deletion of valid KC winner articles for which other sourcing cannot be found is premature until that has
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Separately, I've seen Thomas and Wegmann used in dozens of articles to cite various awards, but I don't recall seeing them cited for biographical data. See, for example:
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Thomas & Wegmann's multi-volume series on KC recipients will have a page or two on this chap. Add that to other sources and he will meet GNG.
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This does not sound like "significant coverage" to me; this is still BLP1E situation and a brief bio, using which would result in a
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and unless someone can provide more context to the sources, I think deleting is the best option.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The topic of the notability of Knight's Cross winners has been extensively discussed here:
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awarded the Knights Cross. I don't think this meets the criteria of
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Non-notable SS captain; significant RS coverage cannot be found in
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does include information on low-ranking soldiers; see for example
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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as some kind of reliable source. Deletion is the right move.
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and other Waffen-SS admirers, such as Marc Rikmenspoel.
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Thanks for the context. This confirms my opinion above.
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