837:: This comics series is not just some footnote in one artist's life. It ran for many years. Many US soldiers during World War Two have enjoyed it, could relate to it, have drawn inspiration from it to carry on their duty. It was once popular enough to inspire two Hollywood movies. It had both notable admirers (Eisenhower) as well as opponents (Patton) in the US army who had very strong opinions about the content of the comic. "Willie and Joe" furthermore has received academic praise, praise from fellow comics artists, is still being republished in collectors' books, proving that there is still interest in this comic strip to this day. It is mentioned in various comics encyclopedia as one of the most notable and groundbreaking war comics. It deserves its own article on this site as it is definitely more important than a majority of comics series who also have their own article, and who, by comparison, have made less of an impact on popular culture than this series. -
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a year or so of demobilization. I suppose that's many years, by some measures. The two "hollywood movies" were unmitigated crap, which
Mauldin explicitly rejected. Had neither Willie nor Joe been drawn, Patton would still have scanned Mauldin's output with a gimlet eye. Mauldin never drew, that I am aware of, a -single- "comic strip." Ever. He was a single-panel man. The fact that crap is often given its own article by fanboys is no justification for needless articles, even about good subjects.
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Again, this strikes me as precisely why this article is a bad idea; POV fork, and associated inaccuracy. There was no "comics series" called "Willie and Joe." It did not exist at all. Mauldin drew cartoons often, but by no means always, featuring these two stock characters for "the duration", and
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What you linked to there is is a "dormant proposal", not any type of policy. More importantly, how do you think that retaining this will improve the encyclopedia -is there anything that should bein it that shouldn't be in the
Mauldin article, and vice versa? If the answer is no, than it is nothing
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This article adds nothing to the encyclopedia that is not inherent to an article about the author himself. Since the wartime articles were such a significant part of
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Yes, I understand that some want to see an article about the characters - although you'll note that several seem to mistakenly believe there was a "comic strip" called "Willy and Joe." The question is whether separating them is the best way to handle it, something that can't be discussed by citing
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The quality of adaptations is not of issue here. Thousands of bad movies, TV shows, novels, comics,... have their own article on
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I'd find this far more compelling if cartoonists risked life answering desperate summonses from public officials, delivered by images projected on clouds by searchlights. To put it another way, you are comparing fantasy with something closer to reportage.
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generally have something risable constantly at hand; you are doing nothing to disabuse me of this. Of course there could be a separate article for the actual humans, as well as as one for the duo act. Yet there need not be; cf.
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Allegheri is but a footnote...and vice versa. On the other hand, what in this stublet that is worthwhile would not belong in an article on Mauldin? Let's review some differences:
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This is obviously a notable topic and it has just been nominated because of disagreement about a redirect. That's a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion.
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