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sources). Name recognition is the argument I was building upon with the large number of hits mentioned above. A significant proportion of those hits are not advertising. Unfortunately, none of the non-advertising sources appear to be reliable, so this may be destined to failure anyway, but I am sure that *somewhere* sources exist. Where did the information we have here come from anyway?
359:. You've cited no sources whatsoever. And counting Google hits is not research. Research involves actually reading the pages that the search turns up, looking for sources. You won't find anything other than advertisments (indeed mostly the same advertisment, submitted to reams of self-submission web sites and discussion fora) when you do. 244:, the problem with adult actors and actresses for whom no major media coverage has been generated is that it is impossible to find neutral, reliable sources of information. This article is destined to remain an unsourced stub. Also, the "official website" that is linked from the article is NOT official; it appears to be a fan site. - 214:. There is no fact checking going on here, and this example alone should convince you that truth and accuracy is not the intent of these web pages. The pornography industry not only has no reputation for fact checking and accuracy, it has entirely the opposite reputation for making false biographies up. 414:
I would argue that the films listed are well-known, at least within their genre (in fact, I understand they are considered by some to be genre-defining). There does appear to be an active fan base, and Jensen is described in numerous sites as a cult figure (although none, unfortunately, are reliable
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well known in the "teen porn" genre, according to the FBI a large portion of those arrested for child pornography have images of Tove Jensen in their collections due to her pre-pubescent appearance. Was huge in the 1970s and her magazines and movies are still sold today. Color Climax Corporation
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19-year-old co-ed from Ohio" and "Ustenia, 18, Czech Republic" in two different publications, according to the target market. This is because the people photographed usually do not want their true biographical information published, because of the nature of the industry that they are in.
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variety of actress. The biographies that pornographers publish are almost always complete fiction, made up by the people who sell the magazines, videos, DVDs, and so forth, to accompany the pictures/films. For example: The same simple set of pictures of the same person could be "Erica, a
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The only source of biographical information that this article cites is from a web site that is advertising DVDs. We have no way of knowing that this web site is not doing just the same as what other such pornographers do: making up biographies from whole
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Quite notable. Over 550 google hits for "tiny tove" indicate that she is somewhat popular, at least. This nickname is also used in some circles as a generic description for pornography featuring a woman who looks a lot younger than she is. She's
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None of which addresses the charge that there are no reliable sources of biographical information for this person, or indeed supports the assertion that this person is notable. Whether she is popular or not is irrelevant.
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For a particularly amusing example of how unreliable the purported biographies in these advertisements are, consider
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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is quite strict about the need for reliable and independent sources when the subject is presumed alive. --
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In reply to Uncle G's point about biographical notability criteria. The relevant one is this:
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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These are not reliable sources. They are advertisements and most likely complete fiction.
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Notable actors who have appeared in well-known films . Notability can be determined by:
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I'm nominating this under the same reasons a similar porn actress's article (
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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best-selling model, according to the claim on their home page.
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equally as (un)reliable as the web site that the article cites
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looks more like a reseller than directly related to
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Mailer Diablo
10:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Tove Jensen
Tove Jensen
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Anna Marek
Static Universe
00:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
verfiable
WP:RS
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yukichigai
ramble
argue
00:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
this advertisement
Uncle G
03:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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