758:. The single instance of a non=PLOT supporting citation doesn't really establish notability for this episode. It says 'this episode makes fun of Army Bureaucracy'. The entire series did that, in every episode. I don't find that sufficient for assertion of specific notability. Had it won awards or received major political reactions for that because of this particular episode, then it would, but simply to say something about this episode which can be said about the vast majority, if not every single episode, is not sufficient.
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contributed, because people write about what they're comfortable with. Today, it looks like this will close in a "no consensus", but the day will come when the notable episodes of M*A*S*H -- those that won an award or that are cited when the series is discussed -- are separated from the ones less outstanding. After having my memory jogged, I vaguely remember seeing this is in a rerun -- there's a scene where a flying helicopter is carrying away a desk -- but it's not outstanding.
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I think everyone makes the same argument for all M*A*S*H episodes, and I wonder why they weren't all just nominated at the same time. I'll just copy and paste from now on. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article
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As an example fo the proper amount of detail for an episode. Consdier merging it, but I am concerned that it might be w=unwieldy. If merged, keep the entire content,. The information about ratings and production details should be added, and can be added. It supplements the plot.
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