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636:. Three or four independent reviews (and I'm sure there are more) for a book means "multiple". You appear to have misunderstood the purpose of the reviews, they are not there to help fill the article with content (although they may well can), they are there to establish notability. At the moment the article is still a stub, and it can be fleshed out by someone who wants to do it. All we are doing now is simply establishing whether it satisfies the notability criteria, which no doubt the subject does. Arguing from what you believe what an article should be (or even what kind of reviews you believe they should be) but which are not actually specified by notability guidelines is not going to help the discussion. 418:. And his other books did not receive many major reviews. The Google Books links have little substance on May apart from repeating what he said, e.g., even in the first link of the group, which has the longest relevance, there is no analysis and only recitation. I'd welcome other sources, especially if they are offline or in languages other than English. I would support restoring the redirect to 543:. You are not arguing based on established criteria. There are plenty of academics whose work are important enough to be merely cited and not discussed. It is also odd for you to say there is no discussion of his concept when there is one that starts the first sentence with him and describes his work as "seminal". You also appear to have completely ignored 516:
was a "seminal" work—as I mentioned before, where are the sources that discuss it and its impact? Because if there are few or none, it means that the book and May's contribution to the concept should be addressed within the concept's own article. How does one write an article about a philosopher when
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If May's contributions as a general author are important, the major "reviews" would have more than cursory synopsis to express about his oeuvre. None of the Google Books texts above discuss any aspect of May's work that can be paraphrased for our purposes—they're simple citations and recitations, no
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because I wouldn't call it a "major institution of higher education and research". While the interviews are good sources, they can't be used to demonstrate notability because they are not independent of the subject. However, the reviews of his work and citations in other works might be enough to
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We measure sources by the extent to which they address the subject, not counts of mere mentions. (We can write only write articles with the former, as the latter gives us no content to paraphrase.) "Poststructuralist" is an adjective that can be applied to anything. If you take Antliff's JSTOR
390:. Are we working with any biographical secondary sources? Because if so, I haven't seen them, nevertheless enough to write a biographical article that does justice to the topic. None of his book reviews go into enough depth to even describe his writing career. To review the above links, the 564:
If May's contributions to poststructuralism are important, per the same quoted guideline section, there would be more coverage than the single hagiographic Antliff statement. If instead his "significant impact" is attributed to his general academic career, there would be works that
794:#1, based on reviews of his work. Even if the article briefly discusses him and is mostly about his academic work, such an article would appear to be well within Knowledge (XXG)'s content guidelines based on the sources above. I am still not convinced that the subject meets 481: 422:, which is another mess but at least cites a secondary source in May's relation to "poststructuralist anarchism", the work for which he is best known, but since that single-sentence mention serves little function in the article, I'd also back the nom's rationale to delete. 204:
No significant coverage (of the subject) in reliable sources could be found. There is some coverage of one of his books (see the talk page), but not much else. Repeatedly recreated from the redirect by an IP, so worth having a discussion rather than edit warring over it. —
763:- I redirected the article due to the sourcing issues. Due to the commonality of his name, it is difficult to find sources which are about him specifically. However, I didn't go to AfD due to his citation count, which in my opinion clearly meets 367:#1. I'll let others weigh in before deciding to withdraw this nomination. I mainly submitted this article as a way to start a discussion due to edit warring on the page (reverting to redirect and back repeatedly). Thanks for your comments 521:
article would be primitive based on such sparse sourcing. Philosophers show impact in field by having their work reviewed and discussed by their peers in the field's many journals. I don't see how that bar has been met here.
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If anyone actually read the content of those reviews, they'd find two or fewer (sometimes no) usable reviews for each book. And I thought we established that we don't have enough material to consider any of the books
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Size of reviews, need for analysis, offline sources or in other languages do not appear to be criteria for notability. However, establishing a new turn in concept ("poststructuralist anarchism" in his case) is for
591:), would be so threadbare of content that no justice would be done to the topic. I don't need to be patronized by the text of the notability guidelines—I know them well—because the point of those guidelines is to 165: 223: 547:, May is not just noted for poststructuralist anarchism, he qualifies under multiple criteria. (You also miscounted, I have already given three and four book reviews each for a few of his books.) 456:#1 are citations, therefore you cannot dismissed the Google Books hits as they are part of how you can establish notability. You can also find multiple reviews for many of his books, for example 573:
secondary analysis. (Not to mention that the other major "reviews" mentioned above are largely short, routine, or from unreliable sources, and we could go source-by-source if necessary.)
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notability. The substance of the sourcing is ultimately what determines the basis for the article, and in this case, the sources are weak and accordingly, there is no article.
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I stick by GNG. May's work on political philosophy and poststructuralism is covered significantly by reliable (Peer-reviewed journals) and independent sources.
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Yet you are still not arguing from any established notability guidelines. What you linked to is not even an official guideline. Per official guideline
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Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations here
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the only sources are primary/affiliated (interviews/staff bios) or single book reviews (sometimes two) on individual books? Even a
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According to GNG, "significant" refers to the quality of source, not the number of sources. It simply means "non-trivial".
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Any article written from the above sourcing will lack in biographical detail, and if scoped to just his works (
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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is a review of his work on poststructuralism by an independent reliable source.
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I have already given three and four book reviews each for a few of his books.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Afraid I can't be any more exact, but in simple summation:
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The Political Philosophy of Poststructuralist Anarchism
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