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312:(as article creator). The individual is notable within his field, and widely published. The tag appears to be generating some confusion though, as it seems to have been a driveby "this person is not notable as an academic." But nowhere in the article does it say that Cross is an academic, so perhaps the tag was just a mistake? --
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