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544:: "Leaders of registered political parties at the national or major sub-national level are usually considered notable regardless of that party's degree of electoral success." Hoefling is national chairman of a registered national level party. If that does not make him a "leader" of that party, then what does? Also, a de facto consensus seems to have emerged over the past several years that being a presidential nominee - particularly one attaining any degree of confirmed ballot status in the general election - of a notable party denotes notability.-- 583:
national chairman of a party which has fielded candidates who have appeared on multiple state ballots (thus making it a "national level party") which would seem to denote notability based on the statement I quoted from WP:POLOUTCOMES. Note also that while third parties are not specifically mentioned in WP:POLITICIAN, they are not specifically excluded either.--
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I base that assertion on several afd discussions which have taken place in recent years regarding presidential nominees, virtually all of which resulted in "Keep" based largely on the fact that the candidate was nominee of a national party and qualified for at least one ballot. Besides, Hoefling is a
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beyond a particular election, a redirect to a page about the particular election for candidates for national office or significant subnational offices is an appropriate action. Any information in the article can be merged or incorporated into the main election-related article (in this case United
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If so, that's news to me, and I've been off and on at AFD for the past 5 years. I believe there's no such consensus, which is why WP:POLITICIAN makes no mention of leaders of third parties. They're notable if there is significant coverage of them in secondary sources independent of the subject.
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It appears that every other Presidential candidate that qualified for the ballot in 2012 in multiple states has its own page. A keep at this point would be consistent. In general, I do think redirects are appropriate for losing candidates.
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not only was Hoefling on the ballot in multiple states in 2012, if write-in access is counted, he theoretically could have won the election. Furthermore, I agree completely with JayJasper and base this "vote" on his
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subject is notable based on coverage received combined with the fact of his being a ballot-qualified presidential candiate as well as founder and national chair of a national political party.--
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Presidential nominee who appeared on several ballots in 2012 election. Also has been written about in reliable sources.--
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about himself. Just because the subject founded a political party does not make the subject automatically notable per
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News and book searches bring up no reliable sources for the subject of this AfD, where the subject receives
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United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2012#American Independent Party
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United States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2012#American Independent Party
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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therefore it can be said that the subject has passed notability as defined by
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no deletion rationale. "Very non-notable" is not a valid rationale.--
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States third party and independent presidential candidates, 2012).
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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