627:. The article subject won the GayVN Award for "Performer of the Year", which is the best-known and most significant award given in his field. If we delete this article outright (as opposed to reducing it to a stub), we're essentially overriding the hard-fought consensus that awards can be indicators of notability in the field of gay porn, deciding that they are not at all. I believe that they are very bad indicators, but dismissing the highest-level award pretty much writes this criterion out of the notability guideline. I'm not unwilling to do that, but I believe it's something that, if it's done, should be done in a broader discussion than a single AfD.
453:- Could we have a little less Knowledge (XXG) jargon and a little more plain English. I am having difficulty in following the arguments for deleting, those I do follow I disagree with. I came across a biographical article yesterday where the subject had nothing more notable than he had made some movies. No sign of anyone wanting to delete that. I do feel there are more important concerns on Knowledge (XXG) than the deletion of this one page which at least gives some information.
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I have no idea how votes work so I didn't realise that I counted as voting twice. I am still at a loss to know why the 'nom' is so obsessed about this one insignificant page which is at least written in
English. I don't know what extra he seems to want. And I could point him to dozens of Knowledge
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Not wuite sure which 'free local biweekly' is referred to but GAYVN Awards merit a
Knowledge (XXG) page of their own and are quoted extensively on other pages. Now could we forget this page and move onto bigger stuff like the numerous scientific, medical or financial pages that are unreadable and
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and stubify. The nom's analysis is mostly on target, but the GayVN award for
Performer of the Year is likely the most significant award given to gay porn performers and creates a presumption of notability. The existing text surely merits TNT-ing, though.
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