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I looked at the New York Daily News reference, and I see two paragraphs (or five sentences) directly discussing
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I get that those who do not live in Alaska would feel that landing on a glacier or supporting adventurers seems like a free pass to notability. If you have actually spent any time in Alaska you find that such businesses are a dime a dozen. so, instead of making up reasons to stretch the definition of
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I'm not seeing how "being mentioned in the context of a story about something else" is either trivial or not trivial. I think someone would need to know more, because merely being in the context of other material tells us nothing about the attention being given to the topic in the material with the
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Those all look like trivial mentions, where this organization is mentioned in the cpntext pf a broader subject or employees of it are interviewed about tourism or the economy. I don't see any depth of coverage about the organization itself.
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to write one or two encyclopedic sentences with the material. But it still counts toward notability, it is a reliable source, and it comes from a source that is 3400 miles away. Do you agree that this source is not trivial?
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