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for improvement if the presumption of notability is reasonable and commonsense. Knowledge does not expect nor demand every article be perfect, even through various interpretations of ever-changing guideline. Mass nominations act to be disruptive of the project in forcing a ticking clock where none is
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This particular episode makes a very mild claim to importance in that it supposedly was the first episode written by Alan Alda. Of course there is no reference given and it is unlikely that this was written about in sufficient depth and breadth to satisfy requirements for notability. I'll hold off
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Since all M*A*S*H episodes have the same reason to stay, and apparently all were nominated separately at the same time, I'll just copy and paste my response. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on. Any movie
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They do not meet the GNG definition of Notability - the coverage does not address the subject in detail, nor is it in most of these cases more than trivial. The sources are episode guides. They recount the plot, which is already present without sources and without real world context. Citing a plot
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Blah blah blah. I've explained myself over and over and over and over. I'm not interested in Merge/Redirects of non-notable episodes with improbable (to be kind) titles which won't ever be searched on. I do not believe that the vast majority of my nominated pages describe ANYTHING Notable. Episode
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Don't insult every other editor who commented. As said before, that level of material can easily be handled at the list of episodes. And yes, articles do need to substantiate the notability of the topic. The article you reference has three sources, so I suppose that met the burden of NOTE for the
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Yet again, I am forced to follow along behind Richard Arthur Norton to defend myself against his baseless accusations and alarmism. That was nominated at the same time as all these other episodes. Please stop all the nonsense hand-waving and Bad Faith harassment.
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and add more real world context and criticism, this one needs to be expanded not deleted. We need to avoid a bias toward recentism. I don't see any difference between this MASH episode an a random Seinfeld episode, for example:
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that has a significant number of viewers is notable(the guidelines changed after a discussion I was in not too long ago), and there is no reason why television shouldn't be held by the same common sense standard.
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Niteshift36 has made this same small, unsupported statement at many, if not all, of these MASH AfDs, and not provided any sort of 'proof' of notability assertion within any such article.
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Whether it's trivial or not is a matter of individual judgment. You think it is, I think it's not. We'll have to agree to disagree, and see which side the community comes down on. —
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Mass nominations of multiple articles about an award-winning series does not realistically allow time for the improvements the nominator suggests are needed. Knowledge has no
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And yet again, I am forced to follow behin ThuranX and source these notable articles, when this all could have been avoided by discussing this at
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These episodes are mentioned in numerous books and notable sites, which I will add here shortly. This should have been discussed on the
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that's minor, even if substantiated, and can easily be included in thsi episode's 'list of episodes' summary with citation.
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Individual episodes of a TV series are by no means inherently notable, not even for a TV series as notable as M*A*S*H.
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Articles do not need to make claims of importance - that's why we have numerous articles about obscurities such as
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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summary by fans to other plot summaries published by fans doesn't make for the real world notability needed.
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That's your opinion. I see no evidence, however, that it's supported by Knowledge policy or guidelines. —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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on my "delete" though in case someone has references that discuss this episode.
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Prodded almost two years ago; no independent assertions of notability.
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ignored? Why the unnecessary drama? What reaction did you expect?
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Guides are proof of SERIES notability, NOT of each episode.
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He is already moving on to season two of MASH: please see
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page(s), which are related to this deletion discussion.
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instead of a mass deletion spree of 24 articles, per
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
King of



05:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The Longjohn Flap
The Longjohn Flap
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
ThuranX
talk
02:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Ten Pound Hammer
02:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
5 O'Clock Charlie
List of M*A*S*H episodes (Season 1)
Ohconfucius
talk
04:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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