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for improvement if the presumption of notability is reasonable and commonsense. Knowledge does not expect nor demand every article be perfect, even through various interpretations of ever-changing guideline. Mass nominations act to be disruptive of the project in forcing a ticking clock where none is
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Since all M*A*S*H episodes have the same reason to stay, and apparently all were nominated separately at the same time, I'll just copy and paste my response. Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on. Any movie
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Blah blah blah. I've explained myself over and over and over and over. I'm not interested in Merge/Redirects of non-notable episodes with improbable (to be kind) titles which won't ever be searched on. I do not believe that the vast majority of my nominated pages describe ANYTHING Notable. Episode
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