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1492:, as content is peripheral to the Prem Rawat BLP, where the existence of TPRF and Rawat’s relationship to TPRF can be recored, but all other content of the TPRF article is extraneous to the BLP. TPRF is doubly non notable because it's only public activity is providing small level grants for ‘humanitarian’ purposes, the grants are made to ‘delivery agencies’ which are themselves notable and it is in WP articles on those entities where noting TPRF grants might have relevance. Although given the low levels of the grants even that may not meet notability criteria. -- 1110:
even heard of Prem Rawat. Bit of a silly comparison really. I'm disinterested in PR, however Jossi and friends (hey, that sounds like a ... never mind...) are clearly highly motivated to make PR's star shine as brightly as possible, (I don't think that can be argued against with a straight face), so where's this "disingenuous"-ness to which Jossi refers? No idea...I am a declared critic of revisionist history though, but we're not talking about that here. --
1232:. Many notable people have foundations and organizations which further their philanthropic of social ideals. Few of those organizations achieve encyclopedic notability. This foundation, whatever its good works, appears to have not (yet) been the subject of any significant verifiable coverage that would establish notability. Delete, as such, without prejudice should notability be established in the future. 1109:
I am not a declared critic of the subject of the article, is that some kind of new tactic? Paint people that disagree with you with colours that are easier to fight against? And nothing against Sylviecyn, but I hardly think we have anything in common, she's an ex-premie, and up until Feb, I had never
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and do not give significant discussion of "The Prem Rawat Foundation", other than that it is "based in Los Angeles". A few others are newswire releases built mainly on "according to an announcement by the foundation..." - and then a large quoted section of a press release from the foundation. There
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As mentioned above, most of the sources you've listed are little more than reprints of press releases. ONEEVENT isn't so much the problem as that the foundation simply doesn't meet the notability stadnards for organizations. Even if we did have independently written articles about this or that
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So you're saying that this magazine is a reliable source because the publisher's other publication has won awards? Interesting. Anyway, unless that article is about the TPRF then the addition of a quotation doesn't do anything to establish the notability of this foundation. See
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The appearance is that those are press releases written by TPRF and posted to those websites. For example, there is text in the PRC page that is a verbatim copy of what's in published TPRF press releases. So it does appear to be the TPRF talking about itself.
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Nobody is arguing about the notability of the foundation's namesake. But there is no sign that the foundation itself is notable. In the Los Angeles, everybody of substance has a foundation. It's not a big deal. This information could easily be merged into the
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as there is no need to dispose of a lot of relevant information collected in the article. As for notability, there may be some difference of appraisal depending on whether you are recipient or donor of what TPRF does, or just happily busy with your
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What primary sources? I see all but one to be non-sepf published sources. Unless you are asserting that the UN World Food Program, The Philippine Red Cross, and Rotary International are "self-published", which is certaninly not the case: See
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Why would these 3rd parties press releases not count? If a charitable organization is referred to by third party organizations that surely count. In any case, I think we have presented our arguments already, so let's allow others to comment.
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As I already stated above I had a look before commenting in the AfD to begin with. If you who seems to think they are adequate can't be bothered to include them why, should I who believes they aren't adequate to the task do it for
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I would argue that it is somewhat disingenuous to challenge the "level of commitment of people of those who argue to keep it" when you and the the editor above you, who are declared critics of the subject of this article are
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Are Rotary International, The Philippine National Red Cross, the Barcelona Forum 2004, the ndonesian Development of Education and Permaculture, the Houston Food Bank, and the UN World Food Program reliable 3rd party sources?
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It devotes two sentences to TPRF. Is it your contention that two sentences in a deleted press relase establish notability? As for the other press relases, they published by U.S Newswire. But you already knew that.
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Shares in Myrine Investments Ltd, a private company incorporated in the Channel Islands which owns the land, are held for the Prem Rawat Foundation, but Elan Vital officials say Maharaji "receives no financial
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Arguments for keeping this article are very weak, especially so given the commitment level of those who argue to keep it. If there are relevant 3rd-party articles produced, I will consider changing my mind. --
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from Leaders magazine - LEADERS is the only worldwide magazine that deals with the broad range of leadership thoughts and visions of the world's most influential people. LEADERS was founded in 1978 by Henry O.
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to make it notable, beyond finding press releases about their work in charitable giving--but that is any number of similar charities, making this one no more notable than any other. I'm not sure it meets
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Meh. All kinds of non-notable organizations crank out press releases and pay or trick people into publishing them when they have column space to fill. I don't see how this organization is any different.
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Those don't really count as 3rd-party sources and those are press releases, so they don't count towards notability. Furthermore, they are about specific charitable donations rather than the foundation.
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I came across this article today. I saw very minimal sourcing on the Prem Rawat Foundation itself, and was hard pressed to find substantial, non-trivial reporting about the Prem Rawat Foundation
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I am not interested in editing that article, but you are welcome to look into these sources and add it yourself if you assess these sources as being independent of the subject of the article.
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It is true that the foundation of some movements occurred earlier. For example, Soka Gakkai and Divine Light Mission (DLM, now Elan Vital/Prem Rawat Foundation), were founded in the 1930s.
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article from May 2007. The rest are all extremely brief mentions only, which appear to be publicity placements, a few press releases, and one or two other bits which focus mainly on
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appears to fail the notability criteria as well as verifiability. Only coverage I can find are press releases (which no matter what publication they appear in are primary sources).
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from "Indian Life&Style" published by India West founded in 1975. The most honored weekly Indian newspaper in North America. Winner of 28 awards for excellence in journalism.
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That's nice, but a quote mentioning the foundation in passing doesn't establish it's notability. What we need is an article devoted to the foundation itself.
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Then include them in the article after making sure that they actually conform to the policy cause they sure didn't look like they did when I looked earlier.
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Cool. If you are proposing to merge, then why are you !voting delete? I would not oppose a merge. Or are you suggesting that a redirect will not be needed?
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charitable contribution, the article is about the foundation, and so we need to have articles about the foundation itself in order to establish notability.
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Are you suggesting that only "the most popular" publications are reliable sources? If so we need to do a huge clean up over at Prem Rawat and Millennium.
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The "appearances" are misleading. Who are theses press release from? Who is signing them? In which website are these published? Just look at the source.
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sources, which is different, and can be used with some caveats as per policy. In addition, there are many other sources unrelated to this organization.
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US Newsire is just the outlet for these releases. The publishers are the organizations that sign the release. But I am sure you already knew that.
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That was proposed a few months ago and rejected by eitors on both sides of the issue. That's not binding on us here and now, of course.
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They're not "signed", but they do say, "Contact: The Prem Rawat Foundation, 310-392-5700 or pressrelations(At)tprf.org" at the end.
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I disagree. The foundation's own website and press releases put out by the organisation are the very definition of primary source.
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SO, are you asserting that the UN World Food Program and other NGOs have bee tricked or paid off? You have got to be kidding.
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Agree. There is one SPA for keep and two SPAs for delete. Hope other non-involved editors can contribute to this discussion.
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They all have to raise money somehow. But press releases are not a measure of notability. We need reliable, neutral sources.
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What's your source for that information? From what I can see it is a small-circulation magazine tending towards puff-pieces.
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Let's see- you complain when involved editors make a comment, then you complain when uninvolved editors participate?
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There are single purpose editors on both sides, so you're right that it doesn't help the discussion to get into it.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Maybe it'd be better if you let this AfD take its course without further complaints about the participants.
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I don't see anything at the Rotary website. Link rot? Wherever they are, they appear to be press releases.
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One of the caveats is that self-published sources may not be used to establish notability. See
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PRNewswire is a source for press releases. Press releases are not reliable 3rd party sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Please provide further comments below, and not interspersed in my above comment. Thanks,
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You also said that if it did come up for AfD you would not participate in the discussion.
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Thomas, Hedley (April 21, 2004). "Maharaji's inner peace in a tent doesn't come cheap".
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More sources which have yet to be incorporated into the article are available here:
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Jossi, you may have forgotten, but I did propose this for merger back in April,
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Yet here you are, contradicting yourself and violating your commitment.
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No real significant discussion in books, only a passing mention here:
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Press releases where the company, corporation, organization, or group
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I'm not making any assertions but here's the publishers home page
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Researching New Religious Movements: Responses and Redefinitions
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Another competitor says it has "minimal visibility and reach."
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Agree with the delete rationale provided in above comments by
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per Rootology. Also, Will's concerns on notability are valid.
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Twice, you told me to nominate it for AfD instead of merging.
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Here is the archive copy of the Rotary press release.
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