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I did hesitate about the title. Perhaps that is why some would see this as a "sensational report" (to be fair). I don't know if this would help, but often articles have (newspaper) or (magazine) in the title. Perhaps the (report) or (article) could follow this naming convention. Or it may be that I'm
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If everything that would be covered by reliable sources would become Knowledge articles, Knowledge would become a mess 2) You should know what a genocide is before starting to use that word loosely 3) The courts said that this was not even suitable to be considered as evidence. Can you please tell me
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in India. The coverage of investigative journalism is stronger for the US and UK but India is underserved in Knowledge on this area. Our different focus is probably also why we also disagree about the issue of WP:SIGCOV. Yes, reports can be used as a reliable source (about this we all agree) and the
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events are suitable for inclusion in Knowledge. This article is essentially about a first-hand report with dubious validity. Come on, Crtew. There are literally thousands of well-noted reports presenting theories that are drastically different from accepted reality of a situation, but that doesn't
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SAJAforum is a blog from SAJA, the South Asian Journalists Association.We cover new desi (South Asian) stuff daily. Since the blog launched during the 2006 SAJA Convention & Job Fair, we have had 1,000+ postings on dozens of topics - from the serious to the silly, and 3,300+ comments from our
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This is some kind of sensational report, Knowledge is not a collection of such reports. This report had no far reaching consequence unlike the watergate reports and this report has been discredited as it had multiple inaccuracies. There is no reason why this article should be present on Knowledge
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here, as the answer isn't relevant. As stated previously, if you look at the discussion prior to the relist, none of the readers made justifications for deletion other than "it's wrong" (not relevant) and "it's talked about elsewhere" (does not disqualify a discussion of this particular topic).
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Now as to the content of the article you cite and the point you're trying to make with this article. Your characterization of the article is false. The author, in fact, criticizes the SIT for being "dysfunctional" and one of the reasons is that it dismissed evidence like that offered by the
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Tehelka is a downright partisan source, if this gets its separate articles then I have dozens of articles in store. Some critics even argued that the inaccuracies of the claims detract from its validity as evidence(). The Supreme Court Special Investigation Team eventually
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The editor's comment above addresses criticism that journalists/journalism receives from people who don't like the facts or the focus on the content, which is standard for controversial investigative reports like this. However, the editor also shows per
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Of course you are the king. You can do anything. But you still haven't answered my question. Did you reopen the AFD and undeleted the article after receiving the personal note from one of the keep voters? And am sure you went through the
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I'm not sure what you mean by "found unreliable," but the following books referencing the subject of the article were published in 2012 or 2013, suggesting that it remains a topic of continuing interest half a decade after release:
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at 15:11, 20 May 2013 but undid that all. Could you please give your rationale for doing that? Are you counting votes? You feel the discussion is still inadequate? Or was it maybe because one of the Keep voters wrote a
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Jaffrelot, Christophe (25 February 2012). "Gujarat 2002: What Justice for the Victims? The Supreme Court, the SIT, the Police and the State Judiciary". Economic & Political Weekly. xlvii (8): 77–89.
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same report can be examined as journalism, like a novel or a movie. Still I see no reason why our difference in focus would lead you to mischaracterize what the source above said about the report.
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Everything that is covered by the media need not be included on wikipedia, I don't think that sajaforum is even a RS. What happened after the sting operation? Nothing. -
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journalists. Why are you trying to use this source to discredit this work of journalism when the SOURCE is not saying this. That's an inappropriate use of a citation.
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you will know that this was somekind of sensational report that was produced by Tehelka, I do not see why it can be considered as notable. -
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Administrators are allowed to modify their determination as to the result of the debate; this is allowed per the steps one takes pre-
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significant coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion
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Legal standing? The investigation teams did not consider the tapes as an evidence, these tapes have no legal standing,
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the report has been referenced both in the Indian Parliament and US Congress, and also mentioned in at least 20 books
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While for you the topic of this report is 2002 Gujarat Violence, for me and others it is also notable in the topic
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We ought to be using these reports as "reliable sources" for supporting the claims about the subject (in this case
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How many of these publications have mentioned the report after it was found unreliable? And what is the nature of
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Plus, we already have the sensationalization of the report and its fakeness covered in various articles like
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were deleted when you point us to other theories that exists on Knowledge? And if many article are already
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Sensationalist claim does get shared between news sources, and is often printed in hundreds of papers
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I decided the AfD could use some more participation, but had not yet undeleted the article.
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admit the Tehelka recordings as evidence because of dubious and inaccurate claims.(source:
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just skeptical about anything called "The Truth" and there is really no problem at all!
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Crtew, I hope our discord here won't reflect on the amicable relation we share.
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Reply to the editor who posted a personal message to the admin after deletion
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Defend the Defenders, Resisting Attacks on Human Rights Activists in India
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Defend the Defenders, Resisting Attacks on Human Rights Activists in India
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The new additions have brought the article to the point that satisfies
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Pogrom in Gujarat: Hindu Nationalism and Anti-Muslim Violence in India
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Pogrom in Gujarat: Hindu Nationalism and Anti-Muslim Violence in India
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Pogrom in Gujarat: Hindu Nationalism and Anti-Muslim Violence in India
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That's a trivially answered question; I'm curious why you seem to be
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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South Asian Media Cultures: Audiences, Representations, Contexts
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mean we should start developing stand-alone articles on those
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There are already many articles dealing with the subject .
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