359:. Found only in academic commentaries is not a weird claim, most Bibles gloss over (or ignore) varient texts. As it stands, though, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot behind this article (probably a page in someone's Lit 411 text) and this is clearly not a notable topic, redirect it. If we come up with something solid, we can add it to the Tales article. If a deeper look (off-line: yes, actual dead trees, people) finds nothing, kill the redirect. Otherwise, we're assuming it's a fairly detailed and subtle hoax, assembled with a fair deal of care and mistakenly deposited in Simple. Seems unlikely. -
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475:- I haven't found a specific reference to this text and realize this article will go away soon. That said: Yes, Chaucer's poetry rhymes: in Middle English. In Modern English? Most texts go out of their way to ensure it does, but not all.
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