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359:. Found only in academic commentaries is not a weird claim, most Bibles gloss over (or ignore) varient texts. As it stands, though, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot behind this article (probably a page in someone's Lit 411 text) and this is clearly not a notable topic, redirect it. If we come up with something solid, we can add it to the Tales article. If a deeper look (off-line: yes, actual dead trees, people) finds nothing, kill the redirect. Otherwise, we're assuming it's a fairly detailed and subtle hoax, assembled with a fair deal of care and mistakenly deposited in Simple. Seems unlikely. - 487:
creative. Again, Chaucer isn't my area, but I had a student from Uruguay who was puzzled by more than a few "words" from an article that had been translated from German. Let's stick to solid reasoning on this one: we have no reliable sources, so we delete it. All the rest is speculation on top of speculation. -
426:; there is no entry forthis in MLA Bibliography or in several other bibliographies I've checked, and finally--thereis one use of the word "VISIONER" in any bibliography of literature--it happens to be the use of the German word in a title of a Danish article on the nazis. That explains the Danish connection. 195:" on account of being a fragment (my copy includes fragments; why not this one?) is an extraordinary claim, and as such requires extraordinary evidence; I see no evidence whatsoever. The author claims that it is to be found only in academic commentaries; that's a weird claim, and certainly not supported by 421:
first, on internal evidence--chaucer's poetry--all of it--rhymes. This does not. The general imagery and the theme is totally wrong for his period & unparalleled in his work. The language is of course wrong--but this is evaded in the article by calling it a modern reconstruction. The name of the
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The theme is all wrong? Well, that's not my field, that's your opinion. "Palpinsets are overwritten ancient manuscripts"? Strictly speaking, a palimpsest is from parchment that has been scraped and reused. In more ordinary usage, it can be virtually anything where an original work is hidden under a
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Ones one such use is the claimed text of "Judas Iscariot's Tale" in the Pardoner's Tale. Visioner is from a "German word in a title of a Danish article on the nazis"? Interesting speculation. "Visioner" is an otherwise unknown word? Sometimes that happens in translation: you're forced to be a bit
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1. Can you provide a source ascribing it to Chaucer? I can't find even one, apart from the two pages linked to above, neither of which mentions it beyond linking to the same audio file hosted on a non-existent site. (Of course, if there were more than that , either would pass muster for
422:"Danish scholar" is not provided. The original text is not referred to. Palpinsets are overwritten ancient manuscripts--for Chaucer's time this is about a millennium anachronistic. As for external evidence, the word "visioner" in any form does not appear in the 475:- I haven't found a specific reference to this text and realize this article will go away soon. That said: Yes, Chaucer's poetry rhymes: in Middle English. In Modern English? Most texts go out of their way to ensure it does, but not all. 383:
2. My point about "synchicity" is that the only definition I can find for it (or for "synchicité") is computer-related, and doesn't make any sense in Chaucer. Does it have some other meaning?
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final work: the original building in an evolved structure, seemingly meaningless sections in current oaths, erased illustrations in hand copied texts, paintings under paintings, etc.
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3. I see your point about the "found only in academic commentaries" claim, but I'd like to see (or at least hear of) such a commentary. I'm having no luck finding one.
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looks like somebody put the hoax over on them also. Note the copyright holder. The Council has a feedback form, but it doesnt work for me. Looking for an email address.
252: 450:, but the IP that put it there is also the IP that created the original Simple English article. Perhaps someone over there should look into this matter as well. 283: 143:
The Complete Works of Geoffrey Chaucer, edited from numerous manuscripts by the Rev. Walter W. Skeat (2nd ed.) (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1899). 7 vols.
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I'll also point out that the poem is not at all typical of Chaucer's style (at least as I remember it), and I'm fairly sure he never used the word
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In short, I'm perfectly willing to accept that this poem exists--if given some evidence other than two links to a non-existent audio file.
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Not only no google hits for title, but frgments of the first line and one middle line get nothing. Nothing even remotely similar in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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at the University of Maine. Originally copied from an anon creation in 2005 at Simple Knowledge.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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English -- a few loan words from French or Latin would be expected, so he might have used
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This is probably a hoax. That it is "generally omitted from most editions of the
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to the Canterbury Tales - It's not in the complete Chaucer because it's
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4. Hoaxes sometimes are quite detailed and careful; see the AfD on
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The Visioner's Tale
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The Complete Works of Geoffrey Chaucer, edited from numerous manuscripts by the Rev. Walter W. Skeat (2nd ed.) (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1899). 7 vols.
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