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to delete in itself (If there are issues with the content, then we fix them with NPOV editing.).There were no other concerns (other than "its problematic"), and the remainder of the !votes agree that the subject of the article is notable. So I see no reason to wait for an admin to close this debate, as I do not think there is sufficient reason to delete
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today I ask that the closing administrator explain how he/she has applied the appropriate ruling in the Footnoted quotes ruling which I understand from the arbitrators' response is the relevant ruling. During this AfD we have now had two attempts to reinclude disputed material that was removed on BLP
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This guy shows up in hundreds of news stories. Google his name and it shows up 9,000 times, and this number is rapidly growing. Just because his existence is an embarassment to people does not make this a coatrack article. The Knowledge entry on Jerimiah Wright is quite lengthy and I don't see you
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The article has significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion. Many of the editors involved in the discussion have either argued against the application of one event, or expanded the article to show how it does not apply, coupled with proper sourcing. Likewise, coatrack is not a reason
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Comment on the content? Didn't you just say above "The creator of this article rushed to the Sarah Palin talk page immediately afterwards to push this crap. That was the only purpose with this article"? From what I see of this page, it is factual, notable, and well sourced. The page seems mostly
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that have no bearing on the notability of the article's subject. The latter is not in question, given the reams of significant coverage of this individual availabe through a cursory Google News search. Stub, balance, protect if you must, but do not be so hysterical as to delete.
367:, and he seems to be prominently featured in a number of that community's materials. The current article doesn't reflect any of that (it's all Palin-related sources), but that's a reason to improve the article. I've made a start at doing so, based mainly on 540:
COATRACK is not a wikipedia policy and not a valid reason to delete (merely an essay). Notability appears to have been established in the news. Suspect bad faith nom by Kelly who has been previously warned for his POV edits regarding Sarah Palin.
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The fact that it was created for non-good-faith reasons doesn't imply that a different article shouldn't appear at the same title (it's been substantially rewritten since the initial contribution, with almost all the Palin material removed).
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You're kidding, right? The creator of this article rushed to the Sarah Palin talk page immediately afterwards to push this crap. That was the only purpose with this article. I'm taking this straight to DRV if this is kept.
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during its AFD. The conclusion now seems obvious - the problem now will be keeping inappropriate coatracking out of the article. I wish I had more faith in our editors about this...
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holds water. We have multiple reliable sources talking about the man. That the more recent coverage has been about possible connections to Palin doesn't alter that situation.
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I've asked the arbitrators for clarification and though I still don't believe this passes BLP the opposition to that point of view is now so massive that I withdraw my !vote.
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about the guy himself. not Sarah Palin. Plus this content works much better here than on the tightly controlled Sarah Palin page. COATRACK is therefore an invalid argument.--
807:(all intervening edits by this editor), I certainly understand why this article was nominated for deletion. I think this is a good rescue by him, comparable to my rescue 56:
the only two delete !votes because of the presumption that this article should be speedied (speedy is not applicable here, and this is specifically why I've ignored it).
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which explains why making reference to another poor article isn't considered a valid argument here. Secondly, if you feel that an article should be deleted,
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of witch-hunting by other people and disagreeing with it; he himself supports hunting witches, which is his main theological position and claim to fame. --
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for a little while at least. It's only two days old, so let's give it more time and see if anything develops. Regards.
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Coatrack and thinly disguised BLP violation. This really ought to be speedied because this totally crosses the line.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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had a section or sub-article detailing some of the more prominent modern-day claims, it'd fit well there. --
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I'd be okay with merging it in somewhere, but there doesn't currently seem to be a good place for it. If
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explains how. Thirdly, you might want to change your talk link as I've explained on your talk page.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Has been in the news over the course of a decade for multiple events, so no claim of
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Like I said I'm taking this to DRV if this is not deleted so none of that matters.
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grounds so I believe this deserves more than a simple counting of votes. Thanks,
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He is noteworthy. Coatrack issues can be dealt with in other ways.--
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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don't know what it looked like before, but looks great now!--
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as the article has been improved. Still very coatrackish.
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The deletion nomination only mentions two concerns;
826:Per the response I got from the arbitrators on my 71:in breaking down my rationale for closing as keep. 493:list of Living people-related deletion discussions 261:Pretty much the definition of a coatrack article. 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 875:). No further edits should be made to this page. 658:: delete arguments seem irrelevant, focusing on 627:! What do you guys think of it now? :) Regards. 559:? Also, comment on content, not the nominator. 396:per Delirium. Article seems balanced and not 179:, and there's only a single reliable source ( 8: 435:Article seems balanced and not WP:COATRACK 204:This is pretty much a speedy in disguise. 740:in order to fix the supposed problems. -- 491:: This debate has been included in the 759:I've been working on it. :) Regards. 7: 404:? 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Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
the consensus to do so
ignored
BLP1E
Coatrack
EconomicsGuy
NAC
Syn
ergy
02:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Thomas Muthee
Thomas Muthee
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:BLP1E
WP:COATRACK
WP:BLP
Sarah Palin
Kelly
16:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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