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567:(inserted) Find what sources? The news coverage issue can be addressed by use of expansion, reorganization and copyediting, and that's what I'm trying to do. Though the article definitely would benefit from a better title. But, I don't think "hey, it has a wrong title" can ever be a reason for deletion. We have a move button that works much better than deletion discussions at that. It still weighs more on the 590:(undented) I don't think anyone has said "Let's delete this because it needs a better title." If you can think of a title that would fit it better, and would convince people that it should not be deleted, then, please, by all means, mention it here, and the closing admin can move it to that name, if that's what the consensus is.-- 528:. All the sources in this article are talking about the item of clothing, NOT the news coverage thereof. If the article were instead to draw on sources analyzing the ways that the news reporting about thongs has been notable IN AND OF ITSELF, then I would switch to Keep. But if not, then there's really no point in having it.-- 466:
establishes notability of a subject. And, content forking (i.e. keeping this article separate from the Thong article) is very much in line with Knowledge (XXG) traditions. Nothing wrong there, apart from desperate need for cleanup. But, "this needs improvement", as I see, is a call to constructive editing, not deletion.
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But, what I see is that only three bits were picked out of the long line of significant thong information to be integrated into the mother article (plus one highly suspect piece of information on thong hygiene quoting Yahoo Answers as a source). Not enough, not remotely enough, especially if we want
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or something). Not daunted, though, as this article shows enormous potential to grow into a formidable piece with time, patience and hard work. Already the amount of information has grown somewhat beyond the scope of integration into another article (and, I can't take the credit for that, not in the
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We are not tired of expanding and improving articles. However, some articles do not meet the standards of Knowledge (XXG), either through lack of notability or other reasons, and can not be improved to meet those standards. That is the reason why we have the Speedy Deletion, Proposed Deletion, and
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may be a bit irrelevant here, as that particular bit of policy is about news coverage of particular happenings (i.e. President Bush's trip to Morocco, or something like it), and not at all about something that has been on the news over the time. In fact, continuous news coverage over time very much
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Why are we really going round and round discussing how this article needs to be merged (or deleted, as all that's relevant has been already merged)? Is it because we are tired of expanding and improving articles? Is it because we find it easier to gut existing articles and shove them into another?
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I find the information presented comfortably encyclopedic (as opposed to you finding this as one of those articles that "do not meet the standards of Knowledge (XXG)... and can not be improved to meet those standards"), as they clearly represent an impact of thong on the society (Laws and bills?
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As has been covered by Bifurga and myself above, per the GFDL, if we merege, we cannot delete, we would have to redirect without deleting as contribution history must remain public in the case of a merge. There was a recent AN thread on the topic and consensus was that this is indeed the case.
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is for people like Corey Delaney, etc.—this isn't him (although I'm loving the irony I just thought of in that the title contains "thong"...). Per DGG and Le Grand Roi, this is a discriminate and useful list. It's sourced. It can be improved. So can
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Just because it's well-referenced doesn't mean that the topic itself, or any of the news items, are particularly notable. There are plenty of events happening every day which are reported in reliable sources, but we don't include them because
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Thanks for the compliment. It is really appreciated, though I know I have not been able to expand an improve it much, yet. The first thing that needs to be changed is probably the title (something in the line of
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My, I was under the impression that growth doesn't happen that way. Anyways, I have started working on the article, and some help there would be very nice. I found it pretty distressing that
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in its current state--though Im not sure of the proper title. This is nota place where NOT NEWS applies--it is a discussion of multiple events on a common theme, not a particular news item.
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Why do you people want to delete something that can be cleaned up? Because we're being lazy and a delete is the quickest of solutions? What do you do to your ailing grandma? Delete her?
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may be a nice essay to understand the situaion. Since notability, reliability and verifiability of the information in the article is firmly established, I'd still say it requires a
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are two pieces of guidelines that may guide us in this situation fine (i.e. when content keeps growing it's appreciated that articles are split out). Of course, there has to be a
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Articles for Deletion processes. However, sometimes articles CAN be improved to the point where they no longer deserve deletion, which means that the nominator simply,
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so far has done something more constructive than discussing a reduction of the wikipedia, where as many people come to read on Pokemon characters as Quantum Mechanics.
164:. This is just a loose amalgamation of news stories related to thongs in some way; any encyclopedic content can be covered in the article on that particular garment. 1033:, I withdraw my nomination, although the article does still need attention, I feel it has justified itself on grounds of notability and such. Less references from 524:. However, in order to justify forking an independent article discussing the news coverage, we would have to find reliable sources discussing the news coverage 1000:
Beauty Queen demoted? Schools panicking? A child-porn controversy? A GI controversy? - there is way too much in there for a delete, or even a merger).
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Actually if anything was added as you say, then a merge was in fact done and according to the GFDL, the edit history MUST be preserved. Best, --
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It is necessary for the sake of copyrights and possible problems with an article that whoever contributed the content remains clear. Anyway,
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If anyone else was as confused as I was about the merge and redirect thing, the relevant section of the GFDL is 4-I. Cheers,--
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doesn't apply here. But what about this article in its current state is worth keeping as a separate article apart from
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Which means we cannot outright delete this article then; we'd have to redirect without deleting per the GFDL. Best, --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I keep seeing this argument, but I've never really seen any real specific explanation for why this is so. The
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The page is just a list of news items, most of which are of dubious notability to say the least. -
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The article is encyclopedic, however, and the article does not merely report news. Sincerely, --
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Sorry about that. (I haven't actually seen WP:MAD before, so thanks for putting it up). Best, --
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type link put into the relevant section of the mother article. Therefore I'd propose to invoke
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Aditya, you are absolutely right that continuous news coverage establishes notability of the
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Thanks for the tip, although you could have phrased it in a slightly less baffling way. ;)
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would help though. I encourage all participants of this debate to help Aditya's work. -
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since the AfD was placed. But we have GOT to do something about the name.
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is an explanation of this in case anyone else is as confused as I was. ~
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Since mattbuck has already added the worthwhile bits of this article to
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per improvement to the article. The name needs to be changed, though. ~
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as unencyclopedic. Knowledge (XXG) is not a news collation service.
186:. The title shoots it dead in the water. Save things like this for 940:, I still think that would be a better treatment of this topic.-- 1180:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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as news/trivia (or merge if there is anything of value in it).
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Just a note: merge and delete is not a valid option under the
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essay doesn't really do a good job of this either. --
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to remove this article by way of merger or deletion.
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isn't needed. The alternative is a couple of million
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Thank you for being reasonable! I'll add you to my
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That'd take a day or two, though. 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 362:of the most significant items into 211:any particularly notable news into 440:Knowledge (XXG) is not a newspaper 24: 684:Knowledge (XXG):Merge and Delete 978:Knowledge (XXG):Content forking 735:per Grand Roi des Citrouilles-- 1083:"Social impact of the thong"? 1: 974:Knowledge (XXG):Summary style 788:You're welcome!  :) Best, -- 1166:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 792:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 761:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 712:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 673:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 642:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 503:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 428:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 189:Uncle John's Bathroom Reader 1207: 1171:16:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC) 1158:15:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC) 1141:07:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC) 1104:03:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC) 1090:12:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 1077:09:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 1055:21:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 1015:17:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 954:04:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 927:21:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC) 905:17:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC) 879:00:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC) 860:03:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 842:21:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 824:19:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 797:20:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 784:19:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 766:19:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 749:19:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 717:19:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 700:18:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 678:18:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 665:18:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 647:17:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 633:15:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 604:04:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 563:17:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 549:15:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 538:15:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 508:18:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 495:13:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 473:12:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 452:11:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 433:06:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 405:05:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 391:03:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 374:02:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 351:21:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC) 335:23:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 310:22:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 285:21:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 255:18:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 230:21:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 201:21:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 175:21:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 147:21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC) 62:19:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC) 1183:Please do not modify it. 755:list of nice Wikipedians 520:, which in this case is 32:Please do not modify it. 1065:substantial improvement 846:In its rewritten form, 418:Knowledge (XXG):SOFIXIT 965:Social impact of thong 850:. Nice job, Aditya.-- 982:{{main|this article}} 414:Knowledge (XXG):Lists 1126:dihydrogen monoxide 1027:Withdraw nomination 961:Thong controversies 733:Merge and redirect 232: 1139: 1053: 770:Why, thank you.-- 493: 207: 199: 172: 145: 76:Thong in the news 68:Thong in the news 50:User:Aditya Kabir 1198: 1185: 1169: 1167: 1129: 1087: 1047: 1012: 994:Template:Sofixit 938:Thong (clothing) 924: 889:Thong (clothing) 795: 793: 764: 762: 731:vote changed to 715: 713: 676: 674: 653:Thong (clothing) 645: 643: 615:Thong (clothing) 546: 526:as news coverage 522:Thong (clothing) 506: 504: 487: 479:Thong (clothing) 470: 431: 429: 402: 364:Thong (clothing) 348: 345: 307: 304: 267:Thong (clothing) 213:Thong (clothing) 195: 170: 168: 167:Ten Pound Hammer 139: 123: 117: 99: 44:The result was 34: 1206: 1205: 1201: 1200: 1199: 1197: 1196: 1195: 1194: 1188:deletion review 1181: 1165: 1163: 1135: 1094:Works for me.-- 1085: 1010: 922: 918:only one editor 883:Okay, so maybe 791: 789: 760: 758: 711: 709: 672: 670: 641: 639: 631: 619:Foo in the news 544: 502: 500: 468: 427: 425: 400: 346: 341: 305: 300: 166: 119: 90: 74: 71: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 1204: 1202: 1193: 1192: 1176: 1175: 1174: 1173: 1143: 1133: 1109: 1108: 1107: 1106: 1080: 1079: 1039:The Daily Mail 1024: 1023: 1022: 1021: 1020: 1019: 1018: 1017: 997: 990:WP:IDONTLIKEIT 969: 910: 909: 908: 907: 862: 845: 826: 805: 804: 803: 802: 801: 800: 799: 729: 728: 727: 726: 725: 724: 723: 722: 721: 720: 719: 625: 607: 606: 588: 587: 586: 585: 584: 583: 582: 581: 580: 514: 513: 512: 511: 510: 457: 456: 455: 454: 407: 393: 376: 368:Metropolitan90 356: 355: 354: 353: 313: 312: 288: 287: 258: 257: 234: 233: 205: 203: 177: 171:and his otters 130: 129: 70: 65: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 1203: 1191: 1189: 1184: 1178: 1177: 1172: 1168: 1161: 1160: 1159: 1155: 1151: 1147: 1144: 1142: 1137: 1128: 1127: 1122: 1117: 1114: 1111: 1110: 1105: 1101: 1097: 1093: 1092: 1091: 1088: 1082: 1081: 1078: 1074: 1070: 1066: 1062: 1059: 1058: 1057: 1056: 1051: 1046: 1045: 1040: 1036: 1032: 1028: 1016: 1013: 1007: 1003: 998: 995: 991: 987: 983: 979: 975: 970: 966: 962: 957: 956: 955: 952: 949: 946: 943: 939: 935: 934:in good faith 930: 929: 928: 925: 919: 914: 913: 912: 911: 906: 903: 900: 897: 894: 890: 886: 882: 881: 880: 876: 872: 871: 866: 863: 861: 857: 853: 849: 844: 843: 839: 835: 831: 827: 825: 822: 819: 816: 813: 809: 806: 798: 794: 787: 786: 785: 782: 779: 776: 773: 769: 768: 767: 763: 756: 752: 751: 750: 747: 744: 741: 738: 734: 730: 718: 714: 707: 703: 702: 701: 698: 695: 692: 689: 685: 681: 680: 679: 675: 668: 667: 666: 662: 658: 654: 650: 649: 648: 644: 636: 635: 634: 629: 624: 620: 616: 612: 609: 608: 605: 602: 599: 596: 593: 589: 578: 574: 570: 566: 565: 564: 560: 556: 552: 551: 550: 547: 541: 540: 539: 535: 531: 527: 523: 519: 515: 509: 505: 498: 497: 496: 491: 486: 485: 480: 476: 475: 474: 471: 464: 461: 460: 459: 458: 453: 449: 445: 441: 436: 435: 434: 430: 423: 419: 415: 411: 408: 406: 403: 397: 394: 392: 388: 384: 380: 377: 375: 372: 369: 365: 361: 358: 357: 352: 349: 344: 338: 337: 336: 333: 332: 328: 324: 319: 315: 314: 311: 308: 303: 297: 293: 290: 289: 286: 282: 278: 274: 272: 268: 264: 260: 259: 256: 253: 252: 248: 244: 239: 236: 235: 231: 228: 227: 223: 219: 214: 210: 206: 204: 202: 198: 194: 191: 190: 185: 181: 178: 176: 169: 163: 159: 155: 152: 151: 150: 149: 148: 143: 138: 137: 127: 122: 115: 111: 107: 103: 98: 94: 89: 85: 81: 77: 73: 72: 69: 66: 64: 63: 59: 55: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 1182: 1179: 1145: 1124: 1112: 1096:Father Goose 1060: 1042: 1038: 1034: 1026: 1025: 1005: 981: 868: 864: 852:Father Goose 847: 834:Father Goose 829: 828: 807: 732: 610: 576: 572: 568: 525: 517: 482: 422:per the GFDL 409: 395: 378: 360:Slight merge 359: 342: 330: 326: 322: 301: 291: 270: 262: 261: 250: 246: 242: 237: 225: 221: 217: 208: 187: 179: 153: 134: 132: 131: 45: 43: 31: 28: 1121:most things 1116:WP:NOT#NEWS 992:here (also 986:WP:HOPELESS 942:Aervanath's 893:Aervanath's 885:WP:NOT#NEWS 812:Aervanath's 772:Aervanath's 757:. 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
User:Aditya Kabir
Davewild
talk
19:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Thong in the news
Thong in the news
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
mattbuck
Talk
21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
WP:NOT#NEWS
WP:NOT#DIR
Ten Pound Hammer
21:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
WP:NOT#NEWS
Uncle John's Bathroom Reader
Doc Strange
Logbook

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