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168:- While the stated purpose of this AfD as a discussion of a merge is decidedly odd and may be misuse of the AfD process, I think that there is sufficient question as to the notability of the subject to warrant this AfD, irrespective of the outcome of previous AfDs. It is odd that an AfD is being brought by a nom that thinks the article should be kept and, again, I wonder if it is a misuse of the process. It might be more appropriate if this AfD were resubmitted by an editor that feels that the article should be deleted and perhaps this AfD should be "shelved" pending such a submittal. -- 670:; it is true that most of Hausherr's notability derives primarily from his anti-Scientology campaigning. However, as per Iridescenti's point above, the fact that his program has received notable coverage as well means that a simple redirect would be inappropriate. I also applaud Mr. Hausherr for handling this in the proper fashion and avoiding 960:
notable a living person has to be in order to be "notable", beyond being the subject of verifiable published references. Knowledge includes hundreds of articles on minor and ephemeral figures in the worlds of sport and entertainment; considering Tilman's conspicuous presence on the web over the past
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To be fair though, since he did include the name "Xenu's" I understand why some Scientologists may feel he is a full time critic. However such people are most likely forgetting that the bulk of time spent on the application involves programming/coding, the name is almost an afterthought. (Which means
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That I had to go offsite for a breakdown of that tasteless little piece of internet history is only proof that I'm on the right track. Citing a 'non-notable' subject to prove why things are notable and not-notable? Please tie my brain in a knot, now. No, don't explain. I don't want to be clear!
730:-NOT merge- and desperately ask for vandalism protection. I don't know anything about Tilmann Hausherr besides what the article points to, but from all the discussion I've seen, he must be a Golden God for warranting so much hostile attention. I read the conversations and gape incredulously. ^O^ 629:
Gosh, ok: "Non-notable critic of Scientology with a couple of minor mentions and no relevance on whatever happens with Scientology in the world. He is also a Non-notable developer of one bit of non-notable software which he is not even trying to sell." Likes cats, which is notable and nice, but not
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of wikipedia. For all I know, Mr. Hausherr, having only 5 Yahoo hits, might be a figment of our imagination, or a very important figure in understanding the methods of Scientology against its critics. Only time will tell. There is plenty of time to decide whether he deserves enshrinenment as a
932:- Xenu Link Sleuth is popular free software for findng broken URLs on web pages. The subject's personal web site is also an information resource about cults in the German language, as well as in English. I note also there is nothing in the WP article about the OPC or harming tourism, thus no 301:
were only a critic of Scientology, I'd agree with the merge proposal. After all, he would belong in such a category if that was all that could be known for. In my opinion his software development and the coverage it has received clearly makes him notable for more than being a Scientology
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Please come out of the corner, Claude. Look, I have a cookie. Don't you want the cookie? Good, while you enjoy the cookie, let me mention that Mr. Peppers is reknowned in Knowledge lore for the amount of digital "ink" generated here over whether he should have an article. You can Google
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hardly applies for a second reason; not only was there no real bite, there is no real newcomer. The only thing real here, Mr. Smee, is your inappropriate and mettlesome "warning". Hold on, Mr. Smee. Weren't you warned about not picking fights with me?
240:-- As nom, I will not "vote" a particular sentiment, though I do think the subject is notable and the article is certainly adequately sourced with reputable secondary sourced citations. However I will state that this action of the merge discussion at 183:- No, actually it is a used practice to send an article you think is notable to AFD, in order to "test" its notability as a standalone article. This is most certainly appropriate, specifically because "Merge" discussions commonly take place 985:: as others have said, notability has been estabilished in more than one area, so a simple merger is not appropriate. Breaking up the information into articles on the separate subjects would make it harder to determine who Hausherr is. - 903:. It is adequately sourced, and the notability has been fully shown. There's also notability in other fields. Just as it is unfair to lump all scientologists into the same group, so it is unfair to do the same with the opponents. 515:
is notable for being the first to promote the criticism of another person's religion by means of naming an unrelated software program (I will spare you the analogies I can dream up) but I doubt that we will find RS crediting
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It was likely featured in PC-Welt magazine sometime in fall 2006, since they asked me for permission. Your "five years ago" theory is because that was all you could find. I suggest you look further, and also at google print.
341:, he is notable in the anti-cult world, and the article is adequately sourced from third party publications. I'd argue that the article is keepable on this basis alone, irrespective of the notability of Hausherr's software. 444:- Non-notable critic of Scientology with a couple of minor mentions; also he has a website and a lawyer sent him a letter (dime a dozen). Non-notable developer of one bit of non-notable software that got a magazine mention 489: 646:
Is notable enough to have a fair few pages linking to him, and since the article (briefly) covers both his work as a software developer and as an anti-Scientology campaigner, a merge to either would be confusing.
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Let's discuss the article, not each other. Notable scientologists are appropriate subjects for WP articles.So are notable opponents. This article is about a particularly effective
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Does this mean that our new notability standard is "Amount of talk page discussion and dispute". Then I guess Brian Peppers deserves to be enshrined on the Knowledge home page as
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is abundantly pointed out by the fact that, other than the five-year old magazine mention, the main "source" to establish notability is of the sort; "someone actually used it". --
491:. These books mention the shareware that is relevant, i.e. notable. The hit counter (which is administered by the ISP software, not by me) of the Xenu page is at over a million. 241: 148: 824:
Mr. Hausherr. For myself, it is only day 17. I find comparisons between Hausherr and misshapenly and developmentally disabled sex offenders to be ROFL amusing but a highly
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Mr. Reigns is employing a bit of sarcasm himself. Why not warn him, too? (Just a joke, Claude, I don't mind just so long as you are willing to get as much as you give) --
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Why would you propose a deletion (AFD) to settle a merge debate. Wouldn't a merge be prefereable to a deletion? I still support a merge with a redirect from
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I certainly don't think a merge is appropriate. There is at least some verifiable information that shows that subject is notable in more than one field.
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The page illustrates my point - non-notable software in a sea of similar non-notable software. The hit counter is illustrative of the synergy
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for a taste. That is why I mention him in reply to the specious argument that the amount of chatter here has anything to do with anything. --
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What's sarcasm? :D Is there an agp talk page?? :| No, really, I'm determined to learn more about Tilman (one l) Hausherr. Please observe my
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It was indeed a clever move and I support it. If the article survives this AfD, I hope that it will stop similar moves once and for all. --
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decade, he is surely more notable than some of these. Knowledge has a role in answering questions like "Who is Tilman Hausherr, anyway?"
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cultbuster or urban legend. Sweeping information under our electronic rug will not serve either such purpose. Please allow me time to
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That would be the intention - to have a referendum once and for all on whether to Keep, or Merge or Delete the article in question...
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since the subject is just as notable for Xenu Link Sleuth as he is for publishing data about cults which pretend to be religions.
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I am Tilman Hausherr, so no vote. The orginal merge request was made in bad faith and is part of a campaign against me, examples:
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I am not allowed to edit my own article. I am thankful for others who do, and who make constructive changes and additions. --
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and I have worked/are working together this isn't a formal vote, even though an AfD isn't supposed to be a "vote" anyway.
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Tilman, according to policy, you can provide the information, links and documentation so someone else can edit it
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
381:. I am not very familiar with AFDs. I don't know what this means for the merge, but in order to be fair go to 35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Tilman, I am simply basing that on the article as is appropriate. If there is more notability then add it. --
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Hausherr's Xenu's Link Sleuth software was called the "fastest link-checking software" by PC Magazine.
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not all projects should have pictures attached. *trembles in corner* this is why we call it abuse....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Opposition_to_cults_and_new_religious_movements#Tilman_Hausherr_merge
712:, propaganda, but a week delete ;-)... Although I think Tilman as a close circle of friends or a 277: 524:'s reprehensible attempts to blacklist and cause trouble for ordinary public Scientologists.) -- 974: 857: 838: 821: 816: 779:; it is clear to me that he is no newcomer and that is equally obvious from his post here. So 731: 700: 679: 575: 346: 309:
if a person spends 100 hours developing a program, and then takes two seconds to call it the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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There are different ways to write "Xenu's", that is why. Some don't write His name at all:
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Recently, a discussion was brought up to merge the entire article into the article
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with that "honor" anyway. (Not to mention the software and this article promoting
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exists to support this commonly spammed libel about the subject. Article meets
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Misou, please provide a reason or your "vote" will carry no weight. Thanks.
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personal attack against the alleged Mr. Hausherr. Brian Peppers
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
508: 940:. Finally, it is inappropriate to merge this article into 48:. Please defer merge related discussion to article talk. 261:
subject is notable for other things than cult opposition
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developed by linking unrelated software to the internet
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Besides, Mr. Smee, looking at Mr. Reign's edit history
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Yes, glad to help to expand the article with more RSes
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No prob, wasn't sure if you knew you could do that...
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This article previously survived 2 AFDs. In both the
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to be called a developer. Especially if the software
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39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 1007:). No further edits should be made to this page. 942:Opposition to cults and new religious movements 145:Opposition to cults and new religious movements 8: 920:and what is this person notable for again?-- 803:Knowledge:Please do not bite the newcomers 754:Knowledge:Please do not bite the newcomers 743:instead of deleted and salted forever. -- 850:for putting that image in my head! 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Index

Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Can't sleep, clown will eat me
01:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Tilman Hausherr
Tilman Hausherr
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
20 March 2007
first AFD
2nd AFD
Opposition to cults and new religious movements
Talk:Opposition to cults and new religious movements
Smee
07:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Justanother
17:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Smee
18:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Tilman
18:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Smee

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