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establish the notability of a term, Lord
Kinross, which Turkish nationalists like to quote in every given occasion that Ataturk is cricised DO call it such, a discussion published in The Geographical Journal Vol. 122, No. 2 (June., 1956) p. 166, Lake Van and Turkish Kurdistan: A Botanical Journey: Discussion by James Marshall-Cornwall; Lord Kinross attest to that. This Knowledge-wide Turkish ultranationalism is really becoming a disease. Just recently Smyrnas material allegedly under the pretext of dumping it to be merged on Izmir, ended up as a pretext to DELETE the entire section regarding the fire. That they have sliced the criticism on Ataturk pages, that they have gotten parasitically involved in Greek, Armenian and Kurdish matters as far as screwing and scrapping the Armenian genocide article is not enought, they even had to recruit ultranationalists. BTW Coolcat, you were right on one thing, you indeed were not Karabekir, your alter ego Tommiks was, the Tommiks who rearranged, sliced and screwed the entire integrity of the Ottoman Empire related articles and who worked in tandem with you. As for my ranting, sorry, I can't help it, after what I have learned in those two days about the 'Call for Turks' in the 10s Febuary, 2006, to invade those articles made my two days(I have my sources). Also, if I were you, I would start accumulating the evidences, since right now, I have 14 pages of evidences that would discredit you, Tommiks, Ottomanreference, Karabekir and some I'd like to not name here right now, for good..., so it would be a good idea for you to stop requesting Kurdish related articles deletions and start accumulating evidences against me, sine in few days my research will be completed
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and always has been than
Armenians, Greeks and Kurds combined. There are at least one Turk in everything related to Armenians, Greeks and Kurds when the slightest political scheme is concerned. And now, with the call for Turks in the 10s February 2006, the amount of POV pushers has just jumped to another fold. No one is saying to stop contributing, in fact I will more than ever welcome a Turk that at least is honest enought to admit for what he is here and also assume his Turkishness, than some dishonest people hidding this all together and both of us know that in this sphere of activity(Kurdish, Armenian and Greek issues) this type of people aren't in shortage. And if you pay attention, there is a clear disproportion between nationalist Turks ivading Kurdish, Armenian and Greek articles than the other way around and if you were honest enought you would have no problem admitting that, but this is not what you do, you are claiming to the contrary. Just for your information, here we have another example of how ultranationalists dictate Knowledge:
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this term notable? Yes! IT IS! I can cite here various articles, I have access to various servers of notable journals, and this term is very often used. The last question to ask is, are there materials in that article? Yes! THERE ARE. There are various sub of less notable terms which will never get deleted, merged. They have even merged Smyrna the ancient city with Izmir, and in the same token they have removed the entire section about Smyrna fire which is still considered one of the worst fires in history, there are even some comparing it with the burning of Rome. When will anyone attempt to merge the city of Ur with its current location? I say, this is ENOUGHT!!! ENOUGHT! I have attempted blind eyes for few days, but unless people stop sleeping on gas and no one answers this will continue again and again. Also it is amusing to see that some member still brag 'neutrality' request, when this one same member in his own userpage indicated clearly why he was on
Knowledge, which he said was to counter Armenian, Greek and Kurdish POV pushing.
3899:, there are general, provincial and municipal elections. People usually think in terms of the country, the 81 provinces and their specific municipality. The last general election was in 2002. Therefore, these 2004 figures are not only more recent but also, I would say, coherent with the panorama presented by the previous general elections. Provincial elections and municipal elections were held simultaneously. Provincial figures reflect the political choices of the voters better than the municipal ones. My choice for using the provincial figures instead of the municipal ones does not work to the disadvantage of any party. The party that was
3508:. Kurdistan is not an actual geographic location. Rather, "Kurdistan" refers to a regional ethnic identity existing across states. Ethnicities exist within and across political borders. Thus an article called "Turkish Kurdistan" would have to deal with ethnic Turks, if such a body exists anymore, living in a region titled "Kurdistan," assuming one existed. The article seems to suggest the content concerns Turkish administrated Kurdistan but since a state with that name has never and does not currently exist then it is impossible to determine the nature of the Turkish administration of it. --
3866:. Or maybe we should merge articles about Upper or 'Downer' Canada, etc. The question here is, IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED TURKISH KURDISTAN??? The answer IS obvious, this term IS notable, the article IS expanded enought. This is what it is, and if you truly are against POV pushing, you will stop doing that. I myself disagree with the maps of Turkish Kurdistan, because it also claims what is called 'Ottoman Armenia,' but Knowledge IS NOT about what I think, but what positions are, a coverage of positions.
1572:, probably the most beatiful district of Izmir, or was before your friends redecorated it, so I am not sure who's destroying whose property. It takes two to tango, you form and support militan groups that practice terrorism, you must bear the wrath that it will bring. As the Turkish proverb says "Who sowns wind, reaps storm". People like you are hurting Kurdish Turkish relations at an irrecoverable level, you are planting seeds of hatred between people.--
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expended article. There are articles of three lines which are accepted and no one even question if they should be merged. STOP IT! Don't you guys not realise that this is WIKIPEDIA and an apolotical encyclopedia? You would be the first, if Greek, Armenian or Kurd nationalists were to go on searching after any
Turkish related articles to remove or add whatever they want, but yet, THIS IS EXACTLY what is happening there with ultranationalists like you.
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but you have to go to the polls), therefore, I would say, that the popular political viewpoint trends are rather well reflected in the numbers that come out of these polls (without having to draw comparisons with elsewhere). I start from the southeastern tip of the country and confine the figures to those parties that scored over 10 % in a given province, unless otherwise relevant or interesting. Very briefly,
111:. I considered relisting this, but it's had 14 days already and I think on strength of argument (particularly regarding the page's status as a POV fork) there is a consensus to redirect it. I've taken "redirect" to mean in this context "delete and redirect", given that there's no point in just replacing a contentous POV fork with a soft redirect that can be undone with a couple of mouse clicks.
3677:, then we can have articles on fictional places in Turkey, that assuming that the place is only made up my Kurdish separatists. Unlike fictional star trek planets, there are some (sane) people who actually believe that these places exist, and there is probably some historical evidence that backs them up. At the very least, the articles should exist to explain the controversy over the terms. --
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1424:. He called/informed 16 Wikipedians here just so they can vote in favor of keeping this article. Is this going to be this way? Should I ask all my friends to create Knowledge accounts? I called only 2 Wikipedians here because I knew they were hardcore about this subject, I could have called all Turkish Wikipedians instead.
1353:. Having a standalone article about Turkish Kurdistan is suggesting it has a geopolitic existence which we all know is false. What will you do when in future Turkish government decides to name SE Turkey, well, Disneyland? Call Turkish PM and complain "Oi mate, we already named it Turkish Kurdistan for ya, what you doin!"?
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pedigree for these elections). Any argument with an intention to relativize the definition of non-SHP voters can also be countered by arguments, possibly in stronger terms, for defining the SHP-voter profile as well. In Turkey, it is obligatory to vote in elections (you can vote blank if you want to,
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It is a fact there is a lot of POV pushing going on Turkey, Armenia, Greece and
Kurdistan related articles. And I believe Turkish voice is definitely not heard as much as it should be. I've seen hardcore Wikipedian Armenian, Greek and Kurdish users here who spare many hours a day here and almost none
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I am a Turk, I speak my heart, I don't hide behind devious words or schemes. I won't kiss you on the cheek, and dig your grave behind your back. I see you made a background search on me. I like attention, you may keep stalking me. Anyway, I have no beef with neutral Greek, Armenian and
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Kurdistan is an accepted term, it IS an encyclopedic term, it is a term which has been used for quite some time, just like terms 'Ottoman Armenia' or 'Russian Armenia.' And for those googlers that relies on google to
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Background search? What background search? I knew all this all along, since you are one of the Turks who registered in the 10s
February 2006. And you are absolutly wrong and you know it when you claim that Greeks, Armenians and Kurds were much active while Turks were not. There are more active Turks
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page so it won't act as if TK is a breakaway de facto state in
Southeastern Turkey. At the beginnig of the article it should say "For the geopolitic Turkish region see Southeastern Anatolia" or something like that, whatever the proper language is. But this will, in my opinion, be POV fork. 2. Delete
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Turkish Kurdistan has a peculiar identity which differentiates it from Iranian or Syrian Kurdistan. It isn't also only the about the Kurds, but of all the people there, like the Turks; I know very well that the present article is very far from being
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Yes it is a region and it is called Southeastern Anatolia, that's its geopolitical name. I think, instead of thinking clearly, some people here are just saying "This guy is a fascist, I am not like him, I am a humanist liberal righteous someone, I won't allow him to censor it". I wonder how much of
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until we have a general discussion of how to handle ethic groups, ethnic minorities, separatists or irredentist claims, etc. Problems seem to be endemic in Middle Eastern/Central Asian/South Asian articles, and deserve a broader consideration. I plan to raise the topic at the Village Pump. Handling
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Comming to this poll, most here don't even know for what they are voting, a member has even gone as far as placing statistics of the last Turkish election. By the same token I should also present the statistics of the last Canadian election to advance that French Quebecers are not French Quebecers
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since there are some specific features. Turkish, Iranian and Syrian Kurdistan pages have to reflect on the relationships with those national states. They are also major factors in the domestic politics and histories of those states. The geographical area is clearly different from the population in
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I haven't seen you even debate when articles such as anti-Turkism, which are not quite notable were created, have you even requested a merging with the article about Turkish people? Besides what you say doesn't make much sense, this article exist, the term is notable, and doesn't apear to be to be
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Ridiculous, it is really pathetic to see how people can give away simply because some ultranationalists are very vocal and by constant lobbying they can dictate what to do. We should simply stick to Knowledge policies. Is there something called 'Turkish Kurdistan' ? Yes, there is such a thing, Is
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actually Hectorian,i had good intentions for the greek people before i came here..Before seeing the massacres against Turks being removed, before trying to deal with all the POV things against Turks,etc.....You know after reading so much History of Civilizations,you expect Greeks to be larger and
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Now at last, we are starting to see your true colors and where you are trying to lead all these good people to by pretending to have good faith. Shake the glass a little and watch the magic unfold, always works. You know, I live in Izmir and couple of days ago it was Nevruz, your opressed friends
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Diyako, Kurdish ethnicity and culture are everywhere in Turkey. Except for the Black Sea region, there is hardly any city in Turkey without a Kurdish population. There are more Kurds in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara combined than in whole SE Turkey. You are promoting seperatist undertones in Knowledge.
2698:? It is the geopolitical name for the region. It will be POV fork, right? And which article will be the deleted one, mine, which is Turkey's internationally recognized geopolitic map and name for the region or the Turkish Kurdistan which is recognized as such by who? BBC? The Guardian perhaps?--
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I want to know what are the differences between Kurdistan and Kurd in Turkey. They are the same articles. So why do some editors persist on keeping ? Welli I think it is because of politics. I haven't blamed anyone being hater of Turks, but I should start to think of it. Since there is no place
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according to every encyclopedias and reliable sources but due to anti-Kurdish political reasons these countries are afraid of recognozing these regions; so the terms Northern and Eastern which are non-political and just geographical terms and do not need regognation by any turk seem to be more
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vote instead. Your explanation basically says "I like it all in one big article", and it is fine with me; I dont want to beat anyone's brows; tastes differ, I know. But this is the reason why I concluded that you probably didn't give it much thought: if you had, you'd explain your reasoning:
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I've rewritten the article to focus it more on the concept of a "Turkish Kurdistan" (where it's deemed to be, why it doesn't exist as a political entity, etc). If you've already voted here, please take a look at the revised article and consider whether you might want to adjust your vote. --
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My vote stands, and no amount of brow-beating is going to make me change it. Just so you know, I find the implications that I voted 'without giving it a thought' and without 'look at the article' borderline offencive, and certainly think they are not displaying an assumption of good faith.
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Anyone who wants information on the topic can easily find it on the internet, most of it will however be one-sided pro-Kurdish. An article here on Knowledge will be a more balanced outcome of negotiations and compromises between different approaches (Kurds, Turks, Iranians and outsiders).
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for keeping an article are not given equal weight with a handful of thoughtful, well-reasoned arguments that demonsrate understanding of the situation and of the relevant Wiki-policies and guidelines. The strongest argument I'm seeing given for deletion is that the article is a
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Turkish Provincial Elections (electing members of the Provincial Assemblies) in the 'at least' 17 Turkish provinces covered by the article (former Category: Kurdistan in wikipedia covered 20 provinces, therefore their number is displaying an unmistakably decreasing trend!!!).
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This term is not notable because of google, google alone does not confirm notability. Turkish Kurdistan is notable, because it has been c alled such in various different works and for decades, that google was there to confirm or contradict that won't change much in this cases.
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O yeah, shout "RAPE!!!", play the lady in distress, always works. Nobody is censoring anything, we are asking for it to redirect to Kurds in Turkey and information be moved there. I repeat, the exact same reason you want this name to stay is the exact same reason I want it
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Turkish. Most Turkish users here either spare little time for this or have little interest in what's going on or are busy with editing Turkish Viki or suffer from limited language skills. Now I have the feeling some people are uncomfortable with Turks rising their voice.
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I know what's going on; I've seen plenty of these things go down. The purpose of AfD is the use a polling format to bring out the best arguments for keeping or deleting an article in order to write the best encyclopedia we can. Since the discussion format
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tell me what to vote. He just informed me of a debate I did not know about - nothing wrong with that. It would be inappropriate for him to say "vote keep", but he didn't - he just linked to the AFD. Therefore, what he did was not a violation of that
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This guy has been fair with everyone requesting concessions from every sides, but yet your fellows will in mass try to hijack a request for adminiship. Claiming that he push Greek POV which BTW is ridiculous when he himself as reverted Greek
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Yeah, I realized, you prefer feeding those who have a beef with Turks instead. And you are not fooling anyone by handing out Barnstars to Turkish Wikipedians, cheap tricks Latinus, very cheap. I will counter your Greek POV pushing whenever,
1669::))) I know about this website. Check out its contact information: Mailing Address P.O. Box 9426 Glendale, CA 91206 . Yes, that Glendale, it is one of the many websites made by Armenians. Anyway, what's next? Hellenicnews.com?--
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actually tried to understand my point in this without being dragged away by their bias towards certain things. Its geopolitical name is Southeastern Anatolia, at least, as previously suggested, this article should be moved to
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a vote, many people take it to be one, and believe that they can "win" by attracting superior numbers of "voters". However, majority doesn't rule in these discussions - the best arguments rule. A swarm of "votes" which add no
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page which is the geopolitic name for the region, internationally recognized, unlike Turkish Kurdistan which has been made popular only by certain media organizations. If you ask me there are 2 decent solutions to this
2007:. In the past days, the article has been edited to change its focus from geography to the definition and history of the term. I think that it is now a correctly named article, that could exist next to a possible future
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Not really. Some people in germany claim ownership to all of europe. They are often known as Neo Nazis. There are no such official claim by the German Government though. You do not have to respond the second I post.
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The very fact that it has caused this much controversy is an easy lock to say its notable and is in normal usage. We have articles on many ideas which do not exist in the physical world. This is no different.
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article, more than enough for you to cover everything there is to say. We redirect Turkish Kurdistan to Kurds in Turkey and people still get the information they need. I very well know why you are stuck with
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characteristics, but are assets to Knowledge and valuable contributors: Uğur Başak, TuzsuzDeliBekir etc... etc... BTW your trollish remark has been noted. Regards, my Turkish friend... --
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to promoting a Turkish K. agenda (let's say, people thinking in terms of a region whose mint they have struck themselves, with a name of their own preference) in these elections was the
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This only proves that the article needs to be rewritten. The point is, as ChrisO noted, that the arguments are not the same; many Kurds do not live in Turkish Kurdistan, and many Turks
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the state as a whole. As an British person, I think here of what the difference would be, pre-partition, in an article on Ireland and an article on the Irish in the United Kingdom. --
502:. Region stuff that is relevant to other people as wellas kurds can go to approporate articles related to Turkey rather than being redundent coppies of information on this article. --
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and all politics directly related to it such as how Turks occupied it, and how they are destroying it and geographical stuff. The article Kurds in Turkey should be on the Kurdish
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It seems that you still are confused with the mater. First, as people said above, Region and people are different. The article Turkish Kurdistan should include the history of the
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in Turkey and should discuss the facts that how this people are oppressed so that they have no right. they are told that they do not exist. They should be Turks! Is it clear now?
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Thank you for reminding, This fact that despite of existence of such a term Turkish government wants it be censored is notable enough and can be explained in the article.!!!
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hmmm...let me see...there are about 35 users who have voted so far,and among them there are-if i am not wrong- 3 Greeks(me incuded).u really should not blame the greeks for
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This I think is the most decent thing to do. I really don't understand people who fail to see the legitimate argument here. I am having a hard time assuming good faith
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Nor should you care, it is not your business. Why should I respond one hour later when I'm at the keyboard now. I don't care if it creates edit conflicts for you.
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from a larger article, not merged into. Did you happen to look at the article you are suggesting to eliminate? It is ten times larger than most of
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and be mentioned some regard it as Turkish Kurdistan, and Turkish Kurdistan will still redirect to this page and people will get their information.
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dont call a place Kurdistan just because most people there are Kurdish. It would be a shame to see Knowledge as a part of dirty games like this. (
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because they have voted more for the Conservative right party which always was against French Quebecers identity and values, than the Liberals
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satisfying, but this is only a good reason for working on it, not for deleting on it. This is my POV, naturally so as always I may be wrong.--
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The seed of hatred were planted 80 years ago by Turkish ultranationalists,geniciders and linguiciders who destroyed Anatolia. read history.
339:.There is no state such as Kurdistan.That's just a seperatist propaganda and it must be deleted.Knowledge is not a place for propaganda...
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I agree with you, I just clarified that this article should be kept because it is a notable subject, and not only because google say so.
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all i am saying is not to blame the greeks for virtually everything.the Greeks users represent a tiny minority in this voting process.--
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we can disscuss this ethnic group in kurds of turkey. Kurdistan is just a confusion in minds. since there is no place called kurdistan.
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I don't want you to change your vote. It is not the good faith that is questioned. It is the logic. Yor argument does not provide the
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have except for the ones in the subcategory for government office regions. Political existence isn't a requirement and shouldn't be.
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Do you think that we are voting just for nothing ? Look around you. editors come here to vote for deletion. --
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Anyway back to the subject here; what we have is a very legitimate case. I have examples in front of me such
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Ok, do you recommend any particular pro-Kurdish author or should I make my own research.
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I am glad you are entertained. But what you did violates
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2134:So it is aproporate to collect one sided votes? --
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3018:-- this user has been blocked as a sockpuppet --
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2694:What will happen when I create an article about
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3201:: As Bekir pointed out, its geopolitic name is
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3673:. If we have articles on fictional planets in
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2457:I respond when and if I want to respond. Your
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2011:which would cover the geographical region.--
1705:. And please stop making Kurdish politics.--
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2022:Could be. I consider this another option.--
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2189:Good - because it would be a violation of
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3012:agree with Tuzsuz, coolcat and others--
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3686:Hah. Too true; I change my vote to
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3222:I have to point its historical name,
3123:, I mean work some idle braincells.--
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3270:: Non-existent. Period. redirect to
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4186:Well done! I changed my vote.--
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2251:I prefer not to feed trolls. --
2242:Yet another one. ALLAH AKBAR!--
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3010:Strongly Delete and Redirect
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2584:Please write your idea.--
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805:Al-Ahram Newspaper(Egypt)
4214:Please do not modify it.
3040:and could possibly be a
856:Encyclopaedia Britannica
32:Please do not modify it.
3820:1. Rewrite and shorten
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2108:Knowledge:Vote Stacking
1879:for the region, go to
3983:41,84 % - AKP 30,79 %
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3489:. the correct name is
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3520:Strong keep
3473:JeffBurdges
3341:Josiah Rowe
3224:Mesopotamia
3086:Computerjoe
3038:second edit
2989:hybrid lily
2983:AGREE WITH
2393:article or
2261:wherever.--
2231:Strong Keep
2099:Bertilvidet
2088:here did.--
1739:Bertilvidet
1719:Bertilvidet
1687:Strong Keep
1422:Bertilvidet
1394:per above.
1360:, you have
984:Bertilvidet
813:Anitwar.com
760:also yahoo
647:What about
4137:Sezen Aksu
3629:Mukadderat
3593:Mukadderat
3591:articles.
3536:Mukadderat
3451:Choalbaton
3377:officially
3042:sockpuppet
2957:Thesprotia
2736:Thesprotia
2086:mujahideen
2042:Raki-holic
1791:deleted.--
1384:Hawkestone
1307:Diyarbakir
1096:name like
1090:geographic
1064:just like
1035:Scranchuse
1011:Tazmaniacs
892:Z Magazine
848:The Nation
437:Kurds are
289:apple tree
192:a pov fork
3786:Hectorian
3675:Star Trek
3585:separated
3572:Kurdistan
3429:Hectorian
3397:Hectorian
3298:, and...
3134:Kurdistan
3132:Not pov?
3046:CheckUser
3020:Mackensen
2995:Mackensen
2673:GTBacchus
2659:resembles
2626:GTBacchus
2505:Hectorian
2387:Kurdistan
2370:Kurdistan
2121:That's a
2076:call for
1979:Kurdistan
1877:Kurdistan
1358:Kurdistan
1356:You have
1259:provinces
1168:is about
1158:Kurdistan
1106:ethnicity
1102:Geography
1023:Mais oui!
929:Kurdistan
649:Turkistan
621:Kurdistan
603:Kurdistan
588:Kurdistan
554:Kurdistan
443:Kurdistan
402:Kurdistan
293:GTBacchus
47:Mackensen
4188:Hippalus
4133:metaphor
4126:Source:
4120:8,89 % (
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3816:subject:
3692:Strothra
3639:Strothra
3568:Redirect
3510:Strothra
3487:redirect
3362:Move to
3350:contribs
3246:Cool Cat
3151:Cool Cat
3115:or this
3062:Redirect
2953:Chameria
2732:Chameria
2724:Chameria
2669:POV fork
2616:Cool Cat
2596:Cool Cat
2535:Cool Cat
2473:Cool Cat
2443:Cool Cat
2410:Cool Cat
2366:Chameria
2292:Cool Cat
2272:trollish
2181:Cool Cat
2154:proposed
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2064:Cool Cat
2038:redirect
2013:Hippalus
1993:Hippalus
1956:Move to
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1729:Cool Cat
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1441:redirect
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1267:Erzincan
1137:Cool Cat
1071:Cool Cat
725:redirect
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639:Cool Cat
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126:Cool Cat
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90:redirect
4198:Padania
3901:closest
3882:Numbers
3743:Nightst
3732:Merecat
3659:concept
3589:pokemon
3305:Nightst
3254:Becuse
3090:'s talk
3068:(rd to
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2664:reasons
2573:Muhamed
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2195:Latinus
2158:Latinus
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1396:Arbusto
1331:Hakkari
1301:, then
1283:Tunceli
1279:Malatya
1271:Erzurum
663:? Even
86:deleted
4178:ChrisO
3897:Turkey
3612:reason
3483:delete
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3381:Metb82
3268:Delete
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3023:(talk)
3014:Shanex
2998:(talk)
2517:Miskin
2191:WP:AGF
2034:Delete
1875:Go to
1699:Delete
1531:people
1527:region
1445:really
1437:delete
1409:Duncan
1327:Mardin
1315:Bitlis
1291:Bingöl
1287:Elazig
1263:Turkey
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362:Delete
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4150:) --
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3909:HADEP
3857:POVs.
3753:llion
3369:merge
3315:llion
3278:. --
3121:think
2891:Aldux
2740:spork
2078:jihad
1963:merge
1895:Aldux
1868:Aldux
1824:iyako
1760:iyako
1651:iyako
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1476:iyako
1418:a mob
1311:Siirt
1170:Kurds
1088:is a
938:names
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480:iyako
415:iyako
370:ManiF
96:etc..
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4139:and
3888:2004
3873:(ix)
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3679:Rayc
3671:Keep
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3576:Joey
3544:Keep
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3443:Keep
3346:talk
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3292:Keep
3258::)--
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3082:Keep
3074:Kash
3072:) --
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2219:Keep
2110:. --
2082:Keep
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