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for discussion and consensus as to how to handle them (there may be certain classes to keep and others to just put into a list for instance based on tonnage) Then they could all be treated the same in a systematic way. FWIW, I'm not sure the U.S. Navy still considers its tugs as commissioned vessels
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Not useful precedents. One is a destroyer (a major warship). One is a patrol boat, but one which at least saw action. In the third, the AfD was very brief with comments like 'started by a troll'. The present case is a minor naval vessel which seems to have spent its career shunting ships around
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There are two implicit precedents here: #1 there have been only 3 AfDs of any commissioned ships and #2 there are a ton of other Navy tug articles that have been around unmolested for a long time and edited by a number of editors.
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And why exactly would they be? Unless they say anything but "Was build, tugged some Navy ships, then was sold for scrap", dump them all into a list without links.
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Notability thresholds for military units have occasionally been a vexed issued on the Military History Wikiproject, but the convention is that all ships
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into a national navy are automatically notable. While discussing this again wouldn't hurt, I'd lean towards maintaining this convention in line with
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and found only these precedents (the only other hits were for obscure fictional ships and starships), which all closed as keep:
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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It makes Knowledge (XXG) more useful if there are articles about all naval vessels.--
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Very sensible. I have a book with information on every ship which served in the
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except perhaps the big ocean-going tugs (which may have all been transferred to
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force‎
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Unremarkable Navy tugboat, biggest claim to fame is that it's one of the
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I searched for "Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/USS" using both
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/USS Wheatland (AKA-85)
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per TomTheHand. Commissioned ship in any Navy is notable.
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in any major world navy is notable for any vessel. --
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asking for their opinion on the notability question.
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encyclopedic topic along with the other articles in
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
W.marsh
15:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
USS Watseka (YT-387)
USS Watseka (YT-387)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Naval vessels named for a woman
Lars T.
17:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Stifle
talk
20:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:United States Navy tugs
Fg2
10:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Lars T.
01:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The Land
14:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:United States Navy tugs

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