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1117:, we haven't actually established that its a degree-awarding university. Proponents here claim it is because they call the certificates they hand out "degrees". But so do the Freemasons. If you look at the website (the institution's own translation) the courses in questions are a few months long. They aren't standard 3 - 4 year degrees like the ones you would get as UCLA or Sydney University or the University of Mumbai. 1056:- Universidad San Juan de la Cruz is noted for its prominent research in marine science and protecting the environment in the Costa Rica region. The Rector of the University has submitted many years of research findings to the President of Costa Rica as well as NASA in the United States. There are numerous research findings in the (universidadsanjuan.com) website as well as over the internet, below are just a few. 748:, rather than simply repeating what the institution offers or who has acknowledged they exist. Knowledge requires a higher standard than simple existence. It's worth pointing out, also, that by international standards, 2000 graduates in 14 years is a staggeringly small number when compared to even the smallest universities in other countries. That's about 140 a year, or less than many high schools. 1093:
than traditional university facilities, but this one seems sufficiently real. Thought the rather extreme inappropriateness of the article certainly makes a case for deletion, I think it would be very wrong for us to break one of the few consistent precedents we have. But if the article is kept, I'll edit it the way I have just begun to; if deleted, I'll probably re-write a proper stub article.
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Absolutely, which is why I spend most of the above trying to establish exactly that. They do seem to be multiple 3-month blocks but, in some cases, only two or three of those. That's less than 9 months for something they are suggesting is a "degree". I'm honestly not sure and proponents have been no
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I'm aware that universities are normally considered notable. However, I'm having trouble persuading myself that this one exists at all. It doesn't have an .edu domain; it doesn't have a street address; it doesn't get any hits on Gnews or its archive. Yes it was authorised to grant degrees in 1996,
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Mere existence of a degree granting university is sufficient, and we have never previously deleted a single one of them in the last 6 years. Entirely online universities and those with unconventional programs can be special cases, and it would appear that at least some of these buildings are less
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I interpret the discussion as saying they are given in multiple 3 month blocks rather than a continuous program. Many new institutions --of admittedly variable reputation--do that. But this sort of thing can be quite difficult to pin down, especially outside an educational system we're familiar
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maintains a list of approved physical locations from which Universidad San Juan de la Cruz operate college programs. The nearly 2000 graduates in 14 years is a staggeringly small number, but that number is Costa Rica only and does not include Universidad San Juan de la Cruz international college
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Yes, that repeats what has already been established - that it is registered with various institutions or associations of higher education. I'm not trying to nit-pick when I point out that "prescribing" and "approving" are not the same as "accrediting". If that is what you mean then we're a step
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The problem remains that despite assertions that the university a. exists; and, b. is a degree-awarding institution such that it would be considered notable by our standards, only the former has been substantiated with documentary evidence and no instances of
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have been offered up for consideration. There are many, many certificate-awarding institutions and a great many of those describe their certifications in different terms. Proponents seem to misunderstand what they are required to put forward.
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There are many notable people that have graduated from Universidad San Juan de la Cruz, three are listed. Contributing special education to people with disabilities as well as disadvantage youth are very notable causes for any
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There are four universities within the San Pablo de Heredia area, I believe that Universidad San Juan de la Cruz probably operates affiliate college programs from one or more locations. (Google Maps)
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has plenty of Diploma Mills listed with fake locations, accreditation as well as online (internet only) presence. Universidad San Juan de la Cruz actually hold college classes at the
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prescribes, approve, inspect as well as accept complaints regarding the curriculum of private universities. Universidad San Juan de la Cruz is listed under (MEP-Conesup)
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notability from its notable students. There are institutions entirely dedicated to educating those with disabilities. That does not, unfortunately, make them notable.
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de julio del 2010 y N°655—2010, celebrada el 21 de julio del 2010. ..... Univermdad San Juan de la Cruz sin autorización de la propia Univer5idad. 38.
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SINAES and UNIRE are the two accreditation programs recognized in Costa Rica under MEP-Conesup and the National Council of Rectors.
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since you seem to know the university, could you give us some information about how many of each degree have been awarded so far?
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There is no burden upon me in that it is not my decision. Thanks for allowing me to contribute, may God Bless everyone!
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performed an inspection upon Universidad San Juan de la Cruz and submitted an inspection report on November 3, 2010
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on Google Maps and didn't see anything that looked like a university, but maybe I was looking in the wrong place?
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an archived Universidad San Juan de la Cruz website cites more than 2,000 Graduates since its 1996 inception.
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The higher standards needed are located within the affiliate Institutions and (MEP-Conesup) accreditation.
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The National Council of Private Higher Education University (CONESUP) and the National Council of Rectors
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to which you may contribute. If nobody makes an argument for this to be kept it will simply be deleted.
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causes for a university, as is the cause of educating celebrities. But the institution doesn't
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The University has both email as well as phone contact information listed within its websites.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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prescribes, approve, inspect as well as accept complaints regarding private universities.
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The professional degree or master degree programs are two to four semesters in length.
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anything, let along substantiate the claim in question to a standard required for
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You're mixing decision-making with argument-making. Decisions here are based on
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100 metros al Norte Palacio Municipal San Pablo Heredia, Costa Rica 40203
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Universidad San Juan indicates this location in its website.
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You're confusing nobility with notability. Those are
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