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Suffragette printer of the earlier 20th century. Like the book, they apparently didn't succeed. Phil, could you summarize just what Vidal says about it (not that his use of this for some
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the overall subject of vote fraud may be notable, but not the book. I am unwilling to believe in the reality of the suppression of the book--according to OCLC WOrldCat, its in about 60 public libraries and about 20 academic, but not the really major ones. That's too many for suppression and not
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devotes 5 pages to discussing this book - non-notable books don't get that sort of treatment - and the other hits also show substantial coverage. And what have Amazon ratings got to do with this? How many books did they sell in 1992?
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as a source on unrelated topics. The Miami Herald article was a one time human interest story on an unknown congressional candidate from 1970 and his continuing quixotic crusade to claim vote fraud in his 1970 primary loss to
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Of course it is NOT going to get such coverage. From the article, "The book was immediately banned by the major book chains, who listed the book as "out of print" and actively worked to prevent its sale." IT IS A CONSPIRACY.
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