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Australia I find it hard to see how anyone other than the association itself provide reliable information on a flag group, unless one goes to the extreme of ghost writing a contribution by an erstwhile third party to avoid the mindless application of a rule that is inappropriate in the circumstances. The existence of Vexillology Ireland is verified by its membership of FIAV (which has stringent membership requirements), and the CEO Mr Stan Zamyatin attended ICV26 in Sydney. He has just published a new book on the design of flags, copies of which were distributed in Sydney. If the Knowledge (XXG) article states something that is wrong or exceedingly biased, then Knowledge (XXG) has a record of such excesses being corrected. There is no need to censor the existence of the article itself. - by Ralph Kelly
339:, I am not going to pretend that I am an expert in Knowledge (XXG) but I will say that I am an expert in flags and as the main representative of them in Ireland I will say that there is a 'lot' of badly written, false and plagiarized writing on flags in general. I am not sure how you are contributing to Knowledge (XXG) and the world, but I can say that you are not helping by insisting that this page be deleted. My German friend who is a prominent contributor on German Knowledge (XXG) has informed me that English Knowledge (XXG) forbids dependent articles, meaning that I have to find someone, who is not member of Vexillology Ireland to write the article, using sources outside of VI and its parent group
343:. Another issue is that since Vexillology Ireland is part of the Genealogical Society of Ireland, it is the latter that gets all the publicity, even though in actuality they are involved in different things. I guess a merger is better then deletion but I strongly think that much would be lost in Ireland and in the field of vexillology (flag studies) if this page is merged or deleted. I would strongly urge you to reconsider and assist in the preservation of this page rather than the 'destruction' of it. Thank you and hopefull you can be considerate and understanding of the situation.
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