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274:- My article 'Youth United' is listed under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. I have gone through the details for this and I found that the answer to the question why its subject is important or significant, is implied by the full article, particularly, headings of philosophy, vision, and mission statement really imply the answer to the same question. Youth United is a registered Non Governmental Organization, as Rotary International or Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The only difference is that they are quite reputed and old. Youth United solely works for the betterment of Society and Youth and it does not have any profit making motive as per its Constitution. Moreover everything was written from a neutral perspective. Had it not been the case, everything about the past events, activities and tabloids would have been flooded in the article. It was avoided to make the article as neutral as possible. Everything written was written to make the article informative and inform the general mass about Youth United and its missions and objectives which in turn have absolute nature of Community welfare. This article is to propagate the mission statement of Youth United and not the Youth United itself. If required I can send you the official charter and bye laws of Youth United. However you can also let me know as what all should be incorporated in the article to make it agreeable to wikipedia policies. 509:- I am unable to understand the subtleties of the notability of this organization. The notability is quite an abstract issue. One issue may be notable to you and one may not. You can not prove the non notability of any entity just by saying that the corresponding wikipedia article does not have third party sources. At least the article Youth United has a lot of sources referenced from its official website, and in many a cases, excluding or including wikipedia, official website is taken as the official and authentic reference. regarding the Google search thing please refer in 515:. I am aware of this policy , but it does not mean that these articles are still to be overlooked after having noticed. This is a registered NGO having certified charter and bye-laws. The offical website cites these information only and challenging the authenticity of a certified charter is uncalled for. This matter is quite irrelevant for wikipedia administrators that what are the goals and activities of Youth United.I request you to take the matter more seriously, so that we may finally reach to a valid conclusion and hence close the discussion. sincerely. 423:( or similar hundreds or thousands of articles) having no sources at all. These are just similar organizations found alone from the list of Youth Organizations. I believe wikipedia policies are meant for all kinds of organizations be it any NGO from India or US. So with all respect, I would still request you to follow one standard to tackle one kind of situation and close this discussion, in regard of my earlier request. 60: 31: 311:. So in this regard, I request you to close the discussion and approve this article, with some reservations and liabilities that it will list more third party sources in near future. However organization's official website may be taken as the official source for the time being as in the case of few articles like 289:
to understand why this article is being nominated for deletion. Your organization is non-notable i.e. it is not peer-reviewed by notable third party sources, nor does it feature in print media. Being a registered organization is not a criteria for inclusion in wikipedia. If you say that google search
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Searching the NGO on google is quite a speculative thing to do, especially when the organization is listed in India. It takes years for a name to come on google and not to mention this organization is quite a new organization. I have gone through the policies of wikipedia in this regard, it does not
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sources will be incorporated as soon as possible and for the time being this article may be approved as this article does not violate any other policy of wikipedia. However there are certain articles which does not cite the source from third party sources and still not having any problem. e.g.
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I understand your concern. But you may like to consider the fact that this organization is a very new organization and finding third party sources for this is somewhat difficult so early. However there are some print media sources that I may be able to produce to you. Nonetheless, third party
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bar any one to write an article for a new organization. it also maintains neutrality and above all it just propagates the message which is in accordance with Society welfare and not any profit motive. really soliciting your cooperation,
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it not enough, I'd suggest you bring forward notable third party sources (i.e. links, most notable indian newspapers have websites) to show that you ARE notable.
490:- no reliable sources to establish notability. That's all there is to it. The worthiness of the goals and activities of the organisiation are irrelevant. -- 538:, and hence contesting the nomination of Youth United article for AFD. I also request you to be flexible and make the best use of wikipedia liberal policies. 40: 69: 192: 668: 442: 335: 561:, the way you can save this article from deletion is to provide reliable sources to establish the notability of the organisation. 147: 142: 151: 17: 364:
by Knowledge's standards, no matter how lofty its subject's goals. In its current state, the article could be considered not
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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tells us to see the quality, not quantity, of the links. I used the google search to indicate that
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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found nothing to make your article notable. Hence I put this article up for AfD, so that
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could provide third party sources which I might have missed, since google is
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In that case I would like you to clear the position of these articles
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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is not a valid argument for the retention of this article. --
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Firstly, this is not CSD. Familiarize yourself with
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review on 2009 June 23
Knowledge:Deletion review
deletion review on 2009 July 1
Knowledge:Deletion review
deletion review
Wizardman
16:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Youth United
Youth United
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WP:ORG#Non-commercial organizations

Welt
17:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Welt
17:56, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Orange Mike
Talk
18:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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